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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
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On 2008-09-29 22:19, magicusb wrote: What an silly statement to make. Do tell us what force do "firearms have at close range"? Please quantify that simplistic claim for everyone here. I have fired a single shot from .50 caliber machine gun and vaporized a five-gallon pail filled with water at 75 yards. I have fired a .22 caliber short - from a rifle - at a tether ball and watched it harmlessly bounce off. My wife's bedside pistol contains safety rounds that will wound flesh and blood but won't penetrate two layers of drywall. Do tell us all, Dick, what force do firearms have... you know, "at close range"? I realize it is beyond your comprehension to consider that the round(s) fired through the Skenes' rifle could be custom "re-loads", designed with an exact purpose in mind - but you might want to think about that for a minute. Thomas Wayne
MOST magicians: "Here's a quarter, it's gone, you're an idiot, it's back, you're a jerk, show's over." Jerry Seinfeld
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Magic Spank Veteran user Las Vegas 320 Posts |
To me the whole stunt is moronic.
I agree that spreading the word that it was real could only encourage young (or stupid) people to try the same thing and the entertainment value was zero anyway. If it was real, no doctored shells, video or otherwise... that only makes it less interesting to me as a magician. And the cup in the mouth looked very homoerotic. If it was 100% real that also means it required absolutely zero talent from the performer. Beyond keeping absolutely still that is. David Blaine is the master of stationary adventure. Can't deny that. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I'll go by Thomas Wayne's expertise on this matter.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Magic Spank Veteran user Las Vegas 320 Posts |
Me too.
You wouldn't want to argue with someone who shoots tether balls. It may sound silly to some, but in Alaska it's either you or the tether ball. I'm just thankful to know that I'm safe behind these 2 layers of drywall. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
***I was an expert marksman in the US Army and have all the medals to prove it.***
No offense to any/all servicemen (I was Navy 75-79) but as I recall ALL of my buddies that joined the USMC or Army came out of boot camp with that marksman medal on their dress uniform! Seems I recall being impressed until I was told that you had to qualify as a "marksman" to graduate from boot camp! I personally can't hit a thing without luck and a shotgun at close range! MickeyAimless |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
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On 2008-09-20 23:39, Heres Tony wrote: Quote:
On 2008-09-21 01:37, Heres Tony wrote: Quote:
On 2008-09-29 23:36, Heres Tony wrote: Those are enough for me to believe that it was real. Posts made of his saying he did the bullet catch for real. That he was there. And posted before it even aired, saying that if it did air, Blaine would say that it was "just an illusion" That is proof enough for me. But if it was just an illusion, Dick, why would you even say on the show that he had Skenes there as a consultant? What benefit does that get David? Does the general public know who he is? Probably not. Would he have him brought in "Just to pull one over on the magic community?" I highly doubt that too. As for your question as to why not bring in some special forces sniper, I have nothing to back this up, but I don't think somebody who does that would take that kind of a risk, shooting a live round into a metal cup in someones mouth. And personally I don't think anyone would try and replicate this if it didn't say that it was only an illusion or whatever. I doubt they would be that stupid. Even if, it's just another Darwin Award removing weeds in the gene-pool. Quote:
On 2008-09-30 00:31, Thomas Wayne wrote: So you aren't going to answer that one, Dick?
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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Gilgamesh_The_Librarian Elite user 408 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 00:31, Thomas Wayne wrote: So one minute we have people volubly stating that the bullet catch was real and then, when someone challenges the fact that the velocity may just be a tad fatal we get the comeback that these could be less powerful bullets (If I have interpreted Thomas Wayne correctly). How does firing a less than real bullet into a steel cup make it a real bullet catch...they may as well have been throwing ping pong balls at him. And having said all that, it was still faked, he's a magician who did a dive of death with a steel harness attached to him for heavens sake, what makes you think he'd take any kind of stupid risk. People like Thomas Wayne who try to persuade us otherwise are obviously intent on treating fellow magi like idiots. Well nothing new there Thomas. |
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To all;
First I want to say I like and respect David very much. I think he has done more than most to move our art forward. The badges I have go far beyond simple marksman. There are many other levels added on, including sniper and others that I have. Also to weaken the charge, as several have conjectured, might not be the best idea as it could effect the speed and accuracy of the bullet should one try to do it for real. It is interesting that the main two who have chosen to attack me for my honest opinions, I believe were not even at any of the filmings. However I have heard from two so far in PM's who claim to have been at the filming. Please, if there are any members of the forum who were actually at the filming and have input on this please contact me by PM or at magicus@comcast.net. All will be kept confidential should you wish. I am looking to put this together in the fairest and most honest way possible, and protect the interest and health of all. Please be reminded, that David himself has said it is an effect and an illusion, what ever the reason you think he might have had. There may be good reason to respect that as well. But do not put words reason in his mouth that he did not say. Just the facts, and not conjecture. For many reasons it might also make sense to move this topic to the private areas. Dick
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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 09:26, Gilgamesh_The_Librarian wrote: Only the actual idiots, um... Gilgamesh TW
MOST magicians: "Here's a quarter, it's gone, you're an idiot, it's back, you're a jerk, show's over." Jerry Seinfeld
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Mark005 Loyal user 212 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 02:10, MickeyPainless wrote: As I remember it... I think we were throwing rocks then... there were three levels you could get for shooting. I know one was marksman, I know one was expert. I do not remember the third one, or the order. I do remember I got the highest medal, I think it was expert... I'm old. I am also old enough to remember seeing it done the first time, on the That's Incredible show. I remembered what I thought... "Oh, they are shooting a .22 short into a metal box." It really didn't move me at all.... |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
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On 2008-09-21 01:37, Heres Tony wrote: Quote:
On 2008-09-29 23:36, Heres Tony wrote: Those are enough for me to believe that it was real. Posts made of his saying he did the bullet catch for real. That he was there. And posted before it even aired, saying that if it did air, Blaine would say that it was "just an illusion" That is proof enough for me. But if it was just an illusion, Dick, why would you even say on the show that he had Skenes there as a consultant? What benefit does that get David? Does the general public know who he is? Probably not. Would he have him brought in "Just to pull one over on the magic community?" I highly doubt that too. As for your question as to why not bring in some special forces sniper, I have nothing to back this up, but I don't think somebody who does that would take that kind of a risk, shooting a live round into a metal cup in someones mouth. And personally I don't think anyone would try and replicate this if it didn't say that it was only an illusion or whatever. I doubt they would be that stupid. Even if, it's just another Darwin Award removing weeds in the gene-pool. Quote:
On 2008-09-30 00:31, Thomas Wayne wrote: So you aren't going to answer that one, Dick? [/quote] It looked like he was 15 feet from the rifle. If they did lessen the charge on the bullet it would have probably been the equivalent of firing at 25 feet or 50 or something. so [/i]if[/i] they did that yes it would effect the velocity. Would it effect the trajectory? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Even [i[if[/i] it did so, you remember they were test firing the rifle? I'd still like to know why he'd have Skenes there if it was just an illusion. Or if it is, what shows that it is an illusion other than David saying so?
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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Brian Lehr Inner circle Edmonton, Canada 1605 Posts |
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On 2008-09-29 23:36, Heres Tony wrote: Tony, Could you please clear up one thing for me? How many times did David to the bullet catch for the taping? When the show aired, there were two different views shown for the same moment: when the bullet goes in his mouth, a side view showed him blinking his eyes, but a frontal view showed no eye blinking at all. Both angles showed the bullet going into his mouth, so it clearly had to be two different events. Did both occur while you were there, or just one of them? Brian PS. Looking forward to seeing your show in a thre weeks when my wife and I head down to Orlando for our vacation |
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Heres Tony Loyal user Orlando 259 Posts |
Hey Brian,
I was there but I wasn't studying the details like there was going to be pop quiz or like MY life depended on it. People are PM'ing me asking everything short of "did DB have a belt on?" "Was he wearing socks during the bullet catch?" "Maybe there's a magnet in his teeth". "Was there a hint of peppermint in the air?" He did the bullet catch in the mouth one time while I was there. If they shot it again it was after I left. I had two shows to do that night and had already stood around from 8AM to 2PM to watch them rehearse, etc. He did it for real. I think he was crazy for doing it but.... Tony Brent http://www.tonybrent.com |
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Mick Ayres Special user Hilton Head Island 998 Posts |
Dick,
Frankly, I don't care what you think any longer. I took valuable time out of my schedule to answer your questions because I thought you would appreciate help from an insider who knows the details...which is the whole point of the Café. In return, you repeatedly imply that I'm nothing more than a gullible fool and don't know what I'm talking about. Over a span of decades in my life, I have been personally involved with the Skenes family and their development of the Real Bullet Catch. Whether I was present for this Orlando shoot or not is about as irrelevent as further dialogue with you. Mick
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 22:33, Brian Lehr wrote: The angle that hows him blinking was shot with a high speed camera right? Maybe he did blink, but you didn't notice because of how quickly it happened? Then when the video is played back of course you would see it because of how slowed down everything would appear. |
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magicnewswire Inner circle 1947 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 02:10, MickeyPainless wrote: Quite true. Marksman is the basic qualification for any military firearm. Sharpshooter is next and expert the highest unless you go to a specialized course for snipers and such. Been there, done that. ;-) |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
There was obviously more than one high speed camera there recording. i.e. different camera angles. The different ones they showed could have been recorded at different speeds. The clips could have had the speed turned up or down in editing. Or they should have done it more than once.
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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AnthonyMaze Loyal user San Diego, Ca 260 Posts |
Quote: On 2008-09-30 02:10, MickeyPainless wrote:
...for the 51st time... that is NOT my card...
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2008-09-30 02:10, MickeyPainless wrote: Like the guys said, for the Marines "Marksman" is the minimum requirement. I believe in the Army you qualify as a "Marksman" if you can pee without hitting the toilet seat. But in the Marines you actually have to send rounds downrange and hit what you are aiming at. Isn't that right Anthony?
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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AnthonyMaze Loyal user San Diego, Ca 260 Posts |
LOL, haha, can't speak for the army, but it's not that easy to hit a target at 5 football fields away, and do it consistantly in a set period of time.
:cheers:
...for the 51st time... that is NOT my card...
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