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http://www.kreis-magic.com/product/coin/?lang=en


Video showing Opium Coin made from US half and reproduction of ancient Japanese coin.

Kotah aka Ronald Dayton
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Do you know how we could order them?
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You can order them right from that site. Just click the "order" tab at the top of the screen, fill out the check list of what you want, fill out your information, and hit submit. They'll send you an email confirming very quickly, and then an email with payment information within a couple of hours.

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Thanks very much.
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It looks like a nice quality set, but does anyone make opium coins in dollar size with Peace dollars?
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Jeff, the answer to your question is no. Sasco, Inc. used to make a version of the Opium Coin using Walking Liberty halves with their pseudo-oriental brass coin.
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Thanks, KOTAH. I guess if I want it bad enough, I'll have to go custom. . .and not pay the utilities.
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I can't understand why this set has not yet been made in silver dollars (Morgans would be so great!!)... It's been on the market for some time know, and people really like the trick. It's not as if it was something new and manufacturers would not want to take the risk manufacturing it in dollars and losing money...

It's a highly visual trick, and you only can do it close-up at a table, which is a pity. I tried, a few times, to perform it in a room for about ten people, and every single time people had to come very close to me to see the effect... What a pity...

There really seems to be a demand for the dollar size, so I really hope someone will start manufacturing it in dollars...

Just a bottle thrown at sea... Smile
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The problem may be the disparity in the size of the coins. The replicated Japanese coin is not dollar size. I would think they might consider using the Walking Lady Liberty or other half dollar size coins if enough requests were sent in.

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Maybe...but it's not THAT difficult to find Chinese/Japanese coins (with a hole in the middle) that are the size of a dollar coin, is it??? And even if so (I'm pretty sure I already saw dollar-size Chinese coins on the net - in fact I own a few, but they are not silver coins). Why not simply manufacture them? It should not be so much of a problem...

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Who owns the rights to this gaff?
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KOTAH (R. Dayton), I guess...
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I never sold my rights to this coin. Dealers are permitted to make them / sell them and pay a royalty. At the bottom of the video clip, it says:
"Combination of a half dollar and a Wado Kaichin coin. Magician is holding two half dollar coins in his fist. When the palm is opened, the coins have changed into two of Chinese coins. He has nothing other than the two of Chinese coins.
Officially approved by the creator, Ronald Dayton."

Opium coin was created eighteen years ago.

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So how would it work if one wanted to commission the gaff in another coin combination? Would the gaffer contact you to work out the royalty payment?
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If you intend to go through Kreis Magic, I have royalty arrangements with Nakashima Kengo. With other coin effects potentially on the table, I am satisfied with the arrangement.

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What about commissioning Lassen or Schoolcraft?
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You understand, of course, what you've just said. You want to go to someone else who is unauthorized to make this coin, thereby costing me my due royalty. At least, that's the way it sounds. IS that what you are saying?! What part of "never sold my rights" didn't you understand?
You look like a decent sort. I can't believe that is what you intended.




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I guess rutabaga was just asking if Lassen or Schoolcraft (or others maybe?) were allowed to manufacture the gaff... It sounded more like a question to me... And he has his answer.

I love this gaff, but again, it's a pity that it's only available in Half Dollars... Please do something. There sure are a LOT of people interested (I already know more than half a dozen friend magicians who are!)...
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Kotah, please re-read my earlier post where I refer to the gaffer [Lassen, Schoolcraft, whoever] making royalty payments.

I ask because there are some beautiful dollar-size chinese coins available from Lassen for instance that would combine with a Morgan dollar to make a gorgeous set.
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OK bear with me, I tend to get offensive. IF Lassen wanted to approach me with an offer I "Might be open to it. I say might because there is an off chance ; sales of one might hurt sales of the other. It could be a slippery slope to walk.

I would check with all parties involved, and make a decision based on the feedback

Part of the beauty of the Kreis coin is the replicated ancient Japanese Wado Katchin coin Bigger is not necessarily better. Even for a close up item.


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