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On 2008-08-30 10:03, KOTAH wrote:
A lawyer and a magician, man; goldeneye, you are as tenacious as my friend Michael Weber. You have worn me down. I am currently arranging to have Kreis make the Opium available in dollar size if it is possible. I will post again when I know which way the mop flops. For now, I need a nap!

Kotah


I didn't say I was a lawyer... I work as a consultant in a law firm specialised in patent law... That's not the same (I'm an engineer who works with lawyers who work on patents).

Great news concerning the dollar-size (hopefully, it will be Morgans!!!)! Let us know!
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On 2008-08-30 10:25, Judah Vee wrote:
Nakashima Kengo of Kreis Magic is sending me the Opium Coins for me to inspect PRIOR to me paying. How about that? And if I don't want them, he said to send them back.....I pay just the postage. This is a totally cool way to do business in the magic field! I applaud them!!!

This also happens to me from time to time, Judah! It's a good sign, usually...means the product is of top quality!
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I can honestly say that in the field of magic, I have never had this happen. But it's nice..... I could have saved a lot of money if more Coiners had done this!
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Oh, yes, indeed!! I wish every dealer did that... To be more precise, it's happened to me maybe once or twice a year these last few years.

Some very respectful dealers (in fact, I only have one in mind) offer that you return them the items in case they do not please you or you think you won't use them. And then, some dealers offer the same thing on specific items. That's great!
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To all those dollar size skeptics (he he): It may not just be that the half dollar size is too small to see (each to his own, though), but that dollar size coins seems so huge to many laymen that "there is no possible way that he could have done that with those huge coins!"

At least that is my philosophy, and I'm sticking to it.
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Very true. A good point, Jeff O.

That's also why I exclusively use dollar size coins when I do coin magic. When you vanish huge coins for ex, it's more impressive than vanishing smaller coins... even if, for us, there's no difference.
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Gentlemen, a question if I may. Years ago, I took internal parts down by hand; 400 button inserts for 200 sets of my Ultimate Cigarette through Half.
At the time, David Roth said the coin offered the best of both worlds; being shown front and back before, during and after the effect. Do you feel it was more impressive to a lay audience than a cigarette through quarter, or would it have been more impressive if I had done it in dollar size? No matter really because this discussion has resulted in some interesting contacts by some equally interesting names in magic.
I look forward to your comments.

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Gentlemen, again, the original Opium Coin got its name due to a story line routine that went with the effect. In brief, it told of the great opium wars in china and of how the Government dealt with those trading in it. Execution on the public square. A single bullet through the brain, which some believe is symbolized by the single hole in the center of the nation's coin.

Food for thought, or the bizarrist story teller if nothing else.

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I must admit you have a point here, Kotah. If you also use the Opium Coins for the cigarette through quarter (or half dollar), the coin doesn't need to be that big because it's mainly for real close up (you're already limited by the size of the cigarette)...

But if, like me, you use it mainly for the impossible transformation half-dollar into Chinese coin, which is incredibly convincing because of the hole, then the size of the coin can matter because it may be performed for a larger audience.

Don't take it like an attack (really it isn't), but performing the cigarette through coin effect AND THEN showing that there is a hole in the coin (ok, ok, it also changed...) is a tiny little bit anticlimactic... Of course the coin has a hole in it because you just pushed a cigarette through it... See what I mean? Some people might even think they haven't seen the effect very well, and you just swapped coins at the beginning... Having a bigger coin would prevent people from thinking this.

What I like most is really the transformation. But for the original routine, of course, the half-dollar or quarter size is perfect.

Just my opinion.
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Goldeneye, I don't take what you said as an attack. I asked for your opinion, and that of any others who wished to chime in. You did, and I thank you for your addition input.

Ron
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Why not make a Sharpie through dollar coin then? Cr*p. . .just lost the rights.
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Thanks, Ron. Smile The transformation using the Opium Coins is really awesome! One of the best coin transformation I've seen so far...
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On 2008-08-29 16:06, goldeneye007 wrote:
I'm sorry, Joshua, but it's not only my opinion that the trick done in halves is not very visual for parlour magic. I've done it several times, and EACH time people had difficulties in seeing the transformation (except, of course, for the people in the first row).

The problem also is that the difference of contrast between the half dollar and the Chinese coin is not that big...which is less the case with Rick Merrill's coins.


When I use Dollar coins I never have that kind of problem, and my hands are not particularly big.


I can understand that in parlor. That's why I would not do it in parlor, just like I wouldn't do color-changing knives or any other close-up trick.

There is no sense doing coin tricks just to be doing coin tricks if they don't fit the venue.
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Yes, sure! Smile
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Mine are sitting at the post office as we speak. I'll have them by 4:00 or so this afternoon. Very excited!
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Hey folks, I just got these and posted a review in the review area (duh). I like 'em!

Mark
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Got mine today....Great quality!!!! They also match the coins on elmwood or hocus pocus, pretty closely!!! I like them !!!!

I should also mention the way they were Packaged and sent to me: IN a small clear box, with a CUSTOM molded foam insert to hold them safely. Kudos to them again....
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I'm wondering what is the difference between the new verison and the old version? Would the new version be different than those currently sold on Ebay?

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The chinese coin in the new version looks 10 times better than the old version. At least , it looks like a "coin".
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Also, the gimmick is the tails side of the half dollar, which makes it much harder to see. The Sasco version used the head side and was about as obvious as a fox in the henhouse.
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