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brody Inner circle Omaha 1313 Posts |
Ask them if their hands are clean. When they laugh, say seriously, "Let me see them".
Put the deck in your pocket and look their hands over carefully. Ask, "You think these are clean?". Shake head slowly, pull out handkerchief, and wipe down your own hands, as if you're trying to scrub them clean. By now, either they've forgotten the original request, or this is the time to pull out the other deck. |
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Al Hastings New user Pittsburgh,PA 41 Posts |
There is no reason why you can't let a spectator have the deck. None.
there is a book that Mr. M. Lewis recommended that probably falls in my top ten, if not the top FIVE favorite card books of all time. "Outs, Challenges and Precautions". The book is usually $5 or less if you google it. If you read it, I -guarantee- you'll NEVER screw up a card trick again. As a matter of fact, you'll savor the moment when a card trick goes awry. If some jag off takes your deck, shuffles it, selects a card, places it back, and shuffles it, there is NO reason why you should not be able to find his card. as a matter of fact, "oh look! it's under my drink..." |
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
I agree that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure; people should not suspect the cards, which is one reason why overt displays of skill are not reducible to mere ego-stroking, especially for a hobbyist in an informal situation.
I use a memorized stack that I can spread to show the cards are not set up, and in fact I do spread the cards to show they're not in any pre-arranged order. Of course, I do not SAY, "Look at these totally ORDINARY cards for two seconds; I bet you do not detect any subtle patterns." Instead the spread, which comes after a false shuffle, is an afterthought, and I am not (ostensibly) displaying them for the purpose of showing them; rather, I spread the cards because I "remember" to remove the jokers. No wordy "oh me, oh my, I forgot to take out the jokers" overacting. Such utterly basic routining prevents anyone from having a compelling reason to further inspect and/or shuffle the cards. The person who does make such demands is clearly behaving like a jackass who is disrupting the show. People will turn against such a person (unless he's more interesting than you). I think the suggestion you put the cards into your pocket and try to misdirect attention while switching decks is hokum. Don't do it. The spectator is not going to "forget" while you're inspecting his "unclean hands." He's just going to lose interest and think you're an ***, which you are if you follow that advice. It's clumsy and dumb. I agree with the person who implied that there are different connotations to "hey, let me see those cards." One person might be sternly challenging you while another may be paying you a compliment. You are allowed to politely tell the first person to **** off, but the intensity of any reply to anyone is naturally dictated by the situation and should be played by ear. If I'm in some scenario where people do think it's reasonable request, then 1) shame on me, 2) That person can inspect the cards, shuffle the cards, rub them on his testicles, and keep them. If he chooses not to rub them on his balls (or ball) then I'll continue with impromptu stuff, which is not as good as the stacked stuff, but then... they get what they deserve. *shrug*
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
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jamesmagic New user 52 Posts |
D.E.C.K. Hysterical.
If it's an invisible deck (the only gimmicked deck I would use) I would say something like: "I can't now. I just secretly flipped another card over. The one I think you''ll think of next. Don't forget that card and we'll get back to this." Pocket deck and proceed to next trick with normal deck. If you must come back to this trick, figure a way to reveal a card with an ungimmicked deck. If you're being chased, run. |
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bgh13mm New user Pelham, Alabama 84 Posts |
I agree with BarryFernelius, I could have not said it any better
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I don't start out with a stack or with a gaffed deck. I perform a few effects that create the desire to examine the deck (example: the Haunted Pack), and because the deck is not gimmicked, it can be examined. I do some other stuff where audience members handle the cards, shuffle the cards, etc. By the time I'm ready to ring in the gaff or switch for a stacked deck, the audience has convinced itself that the deck is perfectly ordinary. That's when the fun begins. |
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
I agree that in most situations there is little need to deflect a challenge by a spectator to examine the deck or shuffle the cards, as they can ask to see the cards at any time, and it usually doesn't matter. I DO proposed taking advantage of the challenge and turn it into an effect (vanish the deck).
But, IF you are challenged while you are holding a stack or a deck that CANNOT be examined, then you need to do three things: 1. Read up on audience management. 2. Handle that deck more naturally in the future. 3. Vanish the hot deck immediately OR deflect the challenge until you CAN get rid of the deck. So, I always have misdirection on me that allows me to vanish a deck anytime I want to, but what deflection techniques are you using to stall the request (IF you have to)? Personally, if some drunk watching a routine blurts out a challenge during an effect, I just respond directly to the inquisitor, "In a moment, something amazing is about to happen..." and proceed with the effect. After the effect, if he STILL ask, then I can still vanish the deck if I want to, in response to their request, and I didn't have to compromise my routine. In real work, the spectator usually asks to see the cards when there is nothing to see but a normal deck. The only time I have to think on my feet is when they ask to "shuffle" the cards after a selection has been made. In those cases, I palm off the selection, hand them the deck and cross my arms impatiently (which helps cover the palm). You NEED to meet these challenges - the audience response AFTER they have shuffled the cards and you still performed your effect is astounding. I'll tell you this too: If you slyly put a corner crimp in the selected card and then let them shuffle the cards, very frequently, that crimped card is right on top when they hand the deck back to you. I have had this happen on more than one occassion - now, without any cuts, you can blow their mind with a double lift or a color change or whatever you want to do. My point is that the "challenge" from a spectator is an opportunity to "prove" you are a magician and not just a guy who knows some tricks... don't avoid the challenge, welcome it, ANTICIPATE it, and answer it. |
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Giacomo Moretti New user 87 Posts |
[quote]On 2008-12-29 09:10, jamesmagic wrote:
"I can't now. I just secretly flipped another card over. The one I think you''ll think of next. Don't forget that card and we'll get back to this." Excellent! Liked it ... G.M. |
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
If I perform a packet trick with gaffed cards (eg Skinners Monte) and someone asks "can I see those cards?", I replie "of course not" with as much indignity as I can muster while I put the cards away and go into my next trick.
It gets a laugh. Mikael Johansson Sweden
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well (Donald Duck)
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
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On 2008-09-02 20:48, MetalBender wrote: If you have a garrote in your watch you might be a redneck...(here is your sign) Mikael Johansson Sweden
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well (Donald Duck)
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dyrwolf New user The timbers of Fennario 94 Posts |
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On 2008-12-29 03:12, Al Hastings wrote: I tossed a fiver to ebay and picked one of these up. I'll report back on how it is if anyone is interested.
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark — that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
Please do!
Mikael Johansson Sweden
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well (Donald Duck)
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FrankMaxwell New user 14 Posts |
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On 2008-08-27 14:26, pepka wrote: Yes sir...I will call you a CRAZY M***** F*****!!! |
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Alel Special user Bay Area 668 Posts |
Mr. Youell have some thoughts regarding situations like this in his notes, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Just look around.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
While a lot of people here are offering excellent advice, few are answering the question posed: If you have a deck that cannot be examined, how do you respond to a demand of Let me see that deck? Saying that you start with an examinable deck and later switch it out may avoid the problem, but the question is how you handle the problem when it arises; i.e., when you've failed to avoid it.
As I generally use a deck that can be examined, I don't have a favorite out. |
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BrucUK Regular user UK 163 Posts |
I use the "Christopher Kavanagh" approach whenever asked, (it works especially well in the UK when someone has a broad Northern Ireland accent...) My answer is usually to wait a few seconds, jaw drop, look flustered, and then say "Well, let me just finish entertaining the others and you can look at whatever part of my anatomy you want", (this helps out the ones that did not get it immediately).
If the atmosphere and the crowd are right this can all be shortened to "Of course, so long as I can have a look at your t**s"..... but be careful! Then they can have the cards as I do not work gaffed at all. Bruce |
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drewkbell New user McDonough, GA 7 Posts |
I'd recommend reading the lecture notes that Steven Youell posted. He has a section in there that is one of the best bits of information I have read in a long while. I believe this section to be priceless and am very grateful Steven was nice enough to share with the forum. The ProActive strategies section is what you want to look at.
Of course, working gaffed is going to throw a wrench in the system. But, you can still apply most of what it says as far as the psychological information. If you work with a normal deck, all of it can be applied immediately. - Andrew |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
Mmread,
There is a very useful essay on this subject that, in my opinion, is vastly superior to the "Outs, Precautions & Challenges" book. The reason I say that is: 1) It covers psychological aspects that is not covered in the book. 2) The lecture notes are free. See the thread below for the link. 3) I've run the essay by some of the top cardmen in the world who have read both-- so I know the information in my essay covers ground not covered in the book. SEY |
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
My favourite out when someone says "let me see that deck" is "Is that the time? Go and clean your teeth, then straight off to sleep".
Admittedly, it's only my son who tends to give me a hard time about wanting to inspect the cards, and I accept that my 'out' may not be generally applicable. |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
There's always the Jay Sankey...
Spectator: "Can I see the deck?" Sankey: "Of course you can see it, just wait one minute..." then proceed with the trick.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Very good thread. Lots of great info.
Thanks to everyone that took the time to respond. We should keep this going and hopefully even make it a sticky one!
Mark Reed
Wedding and Event Entertainment |
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