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Oh Dear!!!,

Had this sent to me it all seems to be kicking off with Blackpool Magicians Club Ltd. and Southern England Magic Convention in the UK!!!

I hope this does not get removed!!!

This is from Southern England Magic Convention....

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Southern England Magic Convention
Statement For Information
This statement is released on behalf of The Southern England Magic Convention by Black Swan PR. It has been sent to all parties we believe may have an interest in the situation arising, in order to inform and update.
For more details contact
Collin Richardson, Geoff Pescud, Convention Organizers - 0800 118 2688 collins.magic@virgin.net
Black Swan PR, PR Agency, 07760236762, pr@blackswanpr.com
<Statement Begins>
The Southern England Magic Convention has been started to progress magic in the UK. We firmly believe that the south of England is in need of a large, multi-national magic convention. The UK has always been a strong centre for magic around the world, and we feel that having more than one large magic convention here, can only be of benefit to the UK Magic Industry.
However, during the organisation process for the convention, we have come up against problems caused by Blackpool Magicians Club Ltd, hosts of the Blackpool Magic Convention.
Blackpool Magicians Club Ltd issued a letter to all their dealers, stating "Dealers exhibiting at any other British convention 5 weeks prior to the Blackpool convention will not be offered a dealer booth at Blackpool".
They have issued the same clause to all their performers, in some cases stating that those who choose to perform at the SEMC will be banned for life from Blackpool Magic Convention.
Following these clauses being made, we have had 4 dealers remove themselves from our program.
We believe that these clauses are unfair and unlawful, and place undue pressure on dealers and performers from around the world, to make decisions they should not have to make. We believe that these trade restrictions have the potential to severely damage the UK Magic Convention industry.

We have since started to instigate inquiries to the Office Of Fair Trading (Trading Standards) and the Monopoly's Commission due to the clauses being introduced by BMC Ltd. We will also be looking at taking legal action against those who have damaged or seek to damage the new convention by their actions.
We feel that Blackpool Magic Conventions actions are unilaterally out of line with the spirit of the brotherhood of magic, and that their actions are likely to damage the UK's reputation as the world leaders in magic conventions.
We have no problems with getting along with the Blackpool Magic Club, and in providing and receiving healthy competition. The UK has enough magicians, dealers and artists for more than one large magic convention, and we wish to prove it.
We are aware that the BMC have tried to divert the attention away from the real issue at hand, by quoting members of forums and private letters, and attempting to directly associate them with the SEMC, however we now wish to bring this back to the real subject at hand, and alert people to the situation currently arising.
We are not asking you to take or choose sides, we are simply asking that you do what you know and believe is right for the UK Magic Industry. In the long run, without a strong UK magic convention scene, we all lose out.
Take a stand for what you believe in, and help keep the spirit of the brotherhood of magicians alive.

This statement is copyright free, and may be reproduced in any form.
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That's out of order for BMC to to that but no-ones going to say anyhting bad about the Club or Derek Lever for fear of getting banned.As magicians we should al be working together not fighting each other.I think BMC seriously need to look at their morals and reconsider their president.

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Out of interest, when was the SEMC proposing to run? Was it to run within 5 weeks of Blackpool? If it was then I can see why Blackpool would complain - people attending one large convention may not want to attend another just a few weeks later.

If, on the other hand, SEMC was proposing, for example, a June convention (which would seem to be about right, given that Blackpool runs in late Feb/Early March, IBM runs in September and International Magic rus in Novembler/December) then I think that they're being completely unreasonable.

The fact that Blackpool are issuing this 'five weeks prior' condition, however, makes me think that the SEMC is in fact trying to pre-empt Blackpool by setting a date just before the Blackpool event takes place. That would be a pretty dirty trick if that were the case.

So... anyone know the details?!

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I think people have been bashing Blackpool and Derek a little unfairly (I am in no way affiliated). The SEMC are trying to build a convention to rival Blackpool- which is fair enough. However, they could have chosen any time of the year to hold the convention and chose to go up against Blackpools slot directly by holding it a couple of weeks before. Reading the forums I have already read many posts saying that magicians cannot afford to attend both in such a short period of time.
I think by taking this decision they are fair game for whatever Derek chooses to do.
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Hi Guys,

Steve Brooks, thanks for allowing this thread to stay, and for allowing a good debate on the matter.

If anyone has any questions about the situation, I am happy to answer as many questions as I can, to help you understand the situation. I can be emailed on pr@blackswanpr.com

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Hey Guys,

There is an article in todays Daily Mail in the UK, 01/09/2008, about this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-......ngs.html

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To save you all clicking...here is the full article from the UK Daily Mail.

THE DAILY MAIL
UK NATIONAL TABLOID NEWSPAPER

MONDAY 1ST SEPTEMBER 2009
Reported by Olinka Koster

So far no one has been turned into a toad.
But when wizards go to war, anything is possible.

Trouble has erupted after two sorcerers decided to set up an alternative to the Blackpool Magicians' Convention, which has been running for 56 years and attracts 3,500 magicians and dealers.
Collin Richardson and Geoff Pescud, bored with what they describe as the 'old-style' tricks on offer, announced that the Southern England Magic Convention would 'finally bring a 21st-century feel to events of this nature'.

Collin Richardson and Geoff Pescud want to start a magic convention in the south but say they are being blocked by the Blackpool organisers
They set a date of January 31 next year for the event at the Lakeside centre in Frimley Green, Surrey - less than three weeks before the next Blackpool event at the Opera House and Winter Gardens on February 20.
This appears to have infuriated the 70-year-old Blackpool organiser Derek Lever, who has fired off a letter to regular exhibitors pointing out a 'barring clause' which forbids dealers exhibiting at any other British convention in the five weeks before Blackpool.
It says that if they do so, they will not be offered a booth.
'Our dealer exhibition is the largest in the world and is a major attraction. Dealers who have just been seen at another convention are no longer an attraction.'
He added that those who had already booked to go to another convention could send him their receipt for that event - and he would deduct the money from their Blackpool booking.
The letter was not welcomed by Mr Richardson and Mr Pescud, who threatened Mr Lever with legal action and sent off files to the Board of Trade, Trading Standards-Competition Commission and European Commission for consideration.
Yesterday they said they had ploughed their savings into their event.
'We are two small people who are doing what we felt was something good for magic,' said Mr Richardson, 62, who specialises in close-up tricks, children's shows and illusions.
'All we want to do is break even. We are 400 miles from Blackpool and we can only take 1,400 people. A lot of the people coming to ours would never go to Blackpool.
'Now it seems there is a war of the wizards going on. As far as we are concerned, one man is terrifying the magic world.
'Dealers may well pull out of our convention because of the threats they have received from Blackpool.
'It is the equivalent of Tesco crowding out a village shop. This is hitting the UK magic trade as a whole because it is putting international dealers off coming here at all.'
Mr Lever said the problems had started after libelous comments were made about him on an online forum.
'Everything we have done is legal and above board. We haven't had to do it before because nobody has ever had a convention so close to the Blackpool convention and it has been done as a deliberate act.
'To try and spoil what we have is pointless and silly. They decided to have a go and they are using any tactics they can at the moment as they are in panic mode.'

also the offending letter from the forum page Lever says led to all this, can still be viewed on my web site in full together with all the replies.
you read it and then decide what the fuss is really about, my letter ????
or the BMC do not want the SEMC to go ahead,???
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Here is the offficial PRESS RELEASE from the SEMC to The NATIONAL PRESS AND TV
IN THE UK, this is also hitting the radio stations as well today.

PRESS RELEASE
The Southern England Magic Convention
For immediate release

For more details contact
Collin Richardson, Geoff Pescud Convention Organizers - 0800 118 2688 collins.magic@virgin.net
Black Swan PR, PR Agency, 07760236762, pr@blackswanpr.com
London, UK, 25/08/2008

Southern England Magic Convention Faces Difficulties:

A new magic convention in the South of England has encountered problems due to the organisers of the Blackpool magic convention in the North. The main organiser of the Blackpool Magic Convention, Derek Lever, has placed trade restrictions on magic prop dealers, insisting they can’t trade at both conventions. In a letter to magic dealers, who come from all over the world to exhibit at British magic conventions, Mr. Lever says “Dealers exhibiting at any other British convention 5 weeks prior to the Blackpool convention will not be offered a dealer booth at Blackpool”.

The Southern England Magic Convention is to be held on the 31st of January 2009, at the famous Lakeside Leisure Complex in Surrey, UK. The venue, better known for hosting the World Darts Championships, has the potential to host a great magic convention, with hundreds of magicians coming from all over the world. However, worries are rife in the entertainment world that trade restrictions imposed by Blackpool may cause the UK magic convention scene to split in a North -South divide.

“My worry is that the dealers who come and boost the UK magic economy from around the world, will be put off by these trade restrictions, and instead will exhibit in other countries, like the USA, In the end, we all lose out” says Collin Richardson, the convention organiser for The Southern England Magic Convention.
The Southern England Magic Convention are taking legal action against those who have damaged or seek to damage the new convention by their actions.


Notes for editors
1. The Southern England Magic Convention is run by GCR PROMOTIONS (Collin Richardson, Geoff Pescud) In co-operation with the Surrey Society of Magicians - http://www.semagicconvention.com
2. The Blackpool Magic Convention is Organised by Derek Lever on behalf of BLACKPOOL MAGICIANS CLUB Ltd - http://www.blackpoolmagic.com/
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This is about the three week distance between conventions?
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I think it is a shame that the convention is being held so close to Blackpool. Nobody has stepped up and said why they couldn't have held it a different time of the year.

I think it is also sad that a convention organizer is telling vendors they are not welcome if they try to make some cash at the other convention.

Performers, well most sign contracts that state the conditions and whether they are allowed to perform some where else and/or when. If they are now adding that I think that is wrong.
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Quote:
On 2008-08-28 06:46, danielellis_5 wrote:
That's out of order for BMC to to that but no-ones going to say anyhting bad about the Club or Derek Lever for fear of getting banned.As magicians we should al be working together not fighting each other.I think BMC seriously need to look at their morals and reconsider their president.

Dan


You should never believe anything until you have heard both sides of the story.

Personally why anyone would have the ridiculous idea to try and hold another convention close to a well established event such as Blackpool is quite baffling, or is it ? having access to other so called forums and debates I see that someone has a serious chip on their shoulder and that is why they have decided to try and hold the convention near Blackpools. Some of the comments about the organisers of blackpool are bordering on the legality side of things and quoting articles as fact is careless in the extreme.

Reading what the Southern convention is about and stands for I am glad that I won't be attending . Why do magicians moan and complain about the approach that magic gets on TV and in the press when they do more damage themselves ?.

It is also rather sad that the Southern convention has tried to copy many ideas which are the rights of Blackpool ( After gala show party and the titles of "their" competitions for example ).

The organisers obviously have a gripe with the Blackpool organisers and if so then the simple answer is not to attend. But to continue in the fierce way that they are doing will only be detramental to themselves but does magic as a whole more harm than good. Magicians can make up their own mind . I think to hold a convention close to Blackpool's, stating claims that are fiction, saying derogatory remarks about individuals instead of getting on with the job in hand says it all really.

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Why don't they hold it 6 weeks before? or 10 weeks? or... you see my point?


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I read elsewhere that dealers sign a contract, wherein somewhere it states that they are not allowed to have a booth a another convention a certain amount of time before that. I can imagine why; if dealers can't fully restock before attending the Blackpool Convention, think how conventioneers would feel?
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