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This is the reply of IBM president Joan Caesar

Hi: Yes I agree that this is a terrible thing. I really can't understand
how anyone could do something that would hurt the livelihood of others. I
believe the most effective thing would be for everyone who really cares,
should send letters to Fox. I also believe that if people if different
locations got together a petition and sent it to Fox, they might think twice
about airing this series of specials. I encourage you to send a letter, ask
your friends to do likewise, and send a petition to Fox. I will do likewise.
Thank you for caring.
Sincerely,
Joan Caesar

I don't like this kind of reply..... Mrs Caesar don't know on what channel will be the serial.
In fact this is a kind of evasive answer a kind of protocol answer a kind of ohhhh I am sorry to hire about same bad thing ohhhh.
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One bad letter represents a million viewers.... So 1000 signature will rep how many viewers... The networks sells advertising based on viewers..... So hmmm good idea?

We are better off not watching the show... Do not speak about the show and DO NOT BUY VIDEO TAPES...
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Uh, I'm the one on the right.
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FINALLY someone agrees with me. Thanks Curtis. Matthew, I wasn't quoting you. Read Haywire's post. He talks about filing a class action suit based on exposure. I've stated my point, I think I'm done with this topic.
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As I said if you do that is not well if you do this is not well so prepare the costume of clown for the next years because the secret methods will be just in your head.
in first series of this jerk he said in the last episode that a lot of peoples pay attention to computers and forgot the magic and he is the hero to make as the children to return to magic....Now all pay attention very very well to magic?
Now for what is well to have another exposed ....very simple for his pockets.
Anyhow in 1998 was too for hist pockets.
Do not forget the costume of clowns fellows ...if will expose again think to other job and let the magic for David Copperfield and others VIPs
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How France did it how ? is France better like USA to solve some problems ? seem to be

A lot of things are better in Canada even in Mexico like in USA ...I saw the documentary Sicko by Michael Moore

It seem you have a lot of problems there in USA people I think I understand why you couldn't succeed to stop this jerk ....if that system of insurance about Sicko is so poor and very very unright I understand a lot of things.
A lot of problems are not solved there is worst and worst day by day very sad.
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Haywire a class action law suit will get the news station a reason why to talk about it... The show is already on E! Entertainment news....

Let it go... Who really cares...
We as a magic community will see increase bookings from our advertisements such as web, ads, and mailings.

I recall back in the late 90's I had clients phoning and saying we want to see a magician since we have been talking about the magic secret show in our office....


So it is a good thing... Just have your modern art, assistant revenge and subtrunk take a long VACATION...
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Curtis, this must be the most stupid I read on this site so far...

You are only thinking about you man! Think about others!!!
Ater 2 or 3 years from now we will have to forget about B-----, BA, Asrah, etc...

What a stupid way of thinking!!! Cannot believe this guy's post!!!
Once again this subject is for thoes who want to help, so Curtis and Pepka, you know what to do...
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I agree. To sit and hope it blows over, will only open us up for of this.

You won't help us collect the wheat or bake the bread, but I am sure you will come running when it is time to eat it.

One letter? Yes, but with how many signatures. If nobody signs, takes us nowhere, lets give it a shot. Rather than think that it will just do bad, which it certainly will not, lets think of the good it will do.

We need stop letting people step on us already and fight back!

This thread is about the petition and what good it will do, if you don't agree don't chime in, it will only hurt our efforts.
-Matt
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Is not about subtrunk or modern art or asstant revenge ...is about methods about things la deceptive b...e or stairs ...if they will know about base we will hide under a mirror , if they will know about mirrors we will hide under black art special lights and if will know about that we will hide in our house or in other job or under our little finger
Thanks to blaine and Angel and others the magic is a good bussines again but all these have an end ....the ppls look at magic and try to find the secret because they kow something and the trick on stage is very close to what masked jerk show them.ahhh and they found that the girl could be there because could fit because they understand from TV that if is build like that and like that and with light like that you could hide the girl there.
So I understand very well about if we do a lot of noise the masked jerk will be happy but if you don't do something smart enought I will repeat ...al methods not tricks ...read carefuly methods will be on youtube and on others tv networks in entire world. But if you think that is not so dangerous because you still have the coin in the bottle and works is fine.
Thank you
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So Magicque, Matthew and J.I.S so I should HELP to shine the light on this television show?
By letting the networks and the media know this show is a no no by a pettetion.... You think they are going to say OKAY the magicians are right... People will watch this show and bring in ratings....

IN the US television shows and radio shows go for shock VALUE... THis has some shock value.... By adding fuel to the fire it will be better.... You have lots to learn about Hollywood my friend.

HMM have someone thought of a logical solution? I have and I am trying to pitch it to the same network...
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Did you look at the petition, it does not mention the name of the program or the network.

If you don't want to help, don't sign or or even add to the conversation. Telling us to do nothing is just no help.

Oh, and by pitching a show to the same network will only say to them that magicians don't care and that it is alright. I would pitch something better to a larger network to pull viewers away from the exposure show.
-Matt
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Thanks Matthew! Now that's an intelligent comment!!!

Hey! We are magicians trying to give magic a break!!! Instead of arguing with us, try to help!!! Sign the petition!!!
Otherwise, hide in your closet and wait!

Eric
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I don't want this thread becoming a debate like the origami thread, either help solve the problem in a positive manner, or ignore this thread.

Arguing is just going to get everyone angry and upset.
-Matt
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I completely agree with you Matthew!

About 350 persons clicked on the topic right now, we should have got approximately 300 signatures!!!
Eric
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I wish that was the case.

Even if you think it won't do anything, please sign anyway. The sooner the number is reached the sooner we can give this a try.
-Matt
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Magicque,

Not arguing with you ... Just trying to point out that a petition may not be the way to go.... Smile

We should put up our own some smoke and mirrors .
Wait,,, I do not use mirror for that trick... The mask magician greatest secret is a trick... He tricks the viewers to think that is how the magic is done...
But if we magician unit and take a stand and say that is wrong and prove it.... This would further magic as well as individual careers. THINK ABOUT THIS LOGIC...

Marque you can keep throwing insults towards me, but it is easy to hide behind a screen and you are so far left at times it makes one laugh.... But it does not further your cause....

Hence why many pros have not jumped into this topic....
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Quote:
On 2008-09-08 12:31, magicofCurtis wrote:

But if we magician unit and take a stand and say that is wrong and prove it.... This would further magic as well as individual careers. THINK ABOUT THIS LOGIC...


Taking a stand can be signing a petition.

I guess the right way to go is to let the show expose our secrets and ruin the art, by pitching a show to them, which says "we don't care! air whatever you want!"
-Matt
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Curtis, sign the petition and you'll become our friends!!! Smile
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YOu guys are so not understanding what your actions will cause....

Read this and think how you can apply this to the situation...

Remember the rumor that McDonals was using worm meat instead of beef? How should the company respond? Traditional wisdom told it to refute the argument, so it did, with quite powerful logic (e.g. it said it had never used worm meat, was certified for its 100% beef use, and would be stupid to use worm meat as worms cost more per ounce than beef does!). However, information processing theory claims that such direct arguments simply reinforces the link between McDonalds and worms in our brain, despite it being false (as a result, people told survey researchers they did not believe the rumor, but McDonalds sales were still way down in the affected regions).
Instead, consumer experiment research concluded that Mc Donalds should work on weakening the link between itself and the bad worm thought, by either
1) strenghtening other links, eg from McDonalds to good times, fun for kids,...
2) establishing a positive link with worms (in the experiment, a confederate said: 'this reminds me of a funny fact: while in an exquisite French restaurant, I saw worms on the menu and got it- it tasted quite delicious)

While the latter may be too hard and risky to implement, Mc Donalds decided to go for the former solution and sales went up.

bottom line: it is always good to create/reinforce positive associations with your company or cause. Beyond that, whether or not you should refute the union's accusations publicly depends on how many people have heard about and believed it: don't wake up sleeping dogs, but try to target your refutation to influential believers.
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I don't see what you are saying.

If you do not agree with us, please don't try to change our minds.
-Matt
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