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DonHarlan
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So tonight I was asked to perform some magic at a party, usually it goes over well for everyone and tonight most people enjoyed it. Except for one guy who had "friends" and you tube buddies. Anyway I was doing a routine with a flipper coin and wouldn't you know it he was calling the shots. As much as I tried to eliminate him from the equation he just kept going about how he has been shown all of this before in detail, going to the extent of taking a coin out of my hand and throwing it in the bushes. Needless to say I walked away head held high still knowing that some enjoyed what magic was done and left a flipper in the woods. As I got to the car I couldn't help but think was it worth it to have someone I knew what I did as a hobby or second job. When people ask to see something I have mixed feelings about it. Personally I'm not an animal who performs on command but let’s face it sometimes some of our impromptu tricks are too good to let this chance unnoticed. Either way I feel somewhat defeated knowing that someone didn’t enjoy it and made sure to point that out the entire night.
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Did you get any compensation for your lost property? I would imagine that if the others were enjoying your magic and then some ****** threw your prop into a bush, never to be found again, that the others would turn against him pretty quick.
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Jinx,

Most of us have been in a similar position at one time or another. One thing that I eventually worked out, and it took a while, was that I don’t need to work with/for people like that.

If someone is being very obnoxious then I just thank everyone for their time and walk away, and this would generally happen long before it got to the point of him throwing away anything. If it’s a paid gig I’ll tell my host about it when I get a chance so that they are not put on the spot later. I’ve never had it held against me, and it makes it clear to everyone in the food chain that they had better treat me with some respect.

Another important thing to understand is why he behaved like that. It was because he did not want you to be the centre of attention for the group – that’s the position that he likes to be in. Once you have someone like that there is nothing that you can do to stop them. If you try then the rest of the spectators will probably turn against you because you have turned on one of their own.

When I have walked away from a group often someone else in the group comes up and apologises for that member and asks if you'll come back as the rest of them want to be entertained. At that point the pain in the butt will generally shut up because of the peer pressure that his friends have excreted on him.

I hope this helps and is the end of the lost flipper situation.

Regards,

John
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Jinx,
You said at the end of your post that you "feel somewhat defeated". Well don't give the nitwit that kind of power over you. He obviously is a needy individual.
Trouble is these type of people can tell that they have power over certain people and will capitalize on it no matter how inappropriate. Learn all you can from that experience, think about what you could have done differently and certainly avail yourself to information on the subject. (Lee Asher is offering a book on the subject on his website.) http://www.leeasher.com/store/books/handle_hecklers.html

Anyway, I'm "not" sorry you went through that experience only because it will only make you a better performer provided you investigate and learn from it.
I am sorry that the "jerk" treated you with such disrespect and that you are out the coin. (I'd go back to try and find it) Confidence is the name of the game when you are performing. The right kind of confidence.

Thanks for sharing your experience. We've all gone through it. The worst thing you can do is "be defeated". It 's alright to feel that way but only for a little while.
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Now I try to be the consumate professional, but this guy REALLY deserved a swift punch in the throat!!!!!
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Thanks for the input guys. jmcgrath I think you hit the nail on the head. This was the show boater of the group and even in side conversations had to be the loudest and have the "best" stories. I think the term "one up" guy fits accordingly. Eric I'm right there with you, but in the end I was able to keep my composure.
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Here's an idea. Next time you see him, give him a sucker punch to the head and when he falls to the ground kick him in the teeth. Than after that pee on him.

But don't say I told you to do this.


Good luck.


I have a motto: If you don't like the magic tricks I do, fine, call me all the names you want. However, don't touch my stuff or me. Once you do that be prepaired to die!

I take NO prisoners!

Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse!

Plain and simple.

I've performed all over the streets of NYC. And in all my years not ONE person ever f'ed with me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a bad-ash but I just give out a vibe that says let's play nice.

Good luck!
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Justin believe me the thought of inserting a set of brass knuckles in my JSB sleeve pocket and waiting for the right moment IE coin flurry ending in the last coin production from under my shoe drawling his ever burning eyes and heckling face close to my knee and then pummeling the "you tube" video's out of him crossed my mind, but this was someone else’s house and as such I tried to respect it.

But thank you, this was a great piece of advice "Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse!"
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Jinx - unfortunately you are learning what a lot of people already have learned, and that is performing for "friends & family" is one of the most difficult venues to perform in. Since everyone knows you (or knows you through someone else), the first barrier of "courtesy to strangers" is broken down. Hence, the jackarse felt he could mess with you. If I approach a group of people, they normally are courteous (to a point). If I sense I may have interrupted something I can excuse myself. If someone starts to jack with me, I have the option of leaving the table. If they are really jackarses to everyone around them, we can have that person removed from the premises. Not so easy with friends and family - you usually have to endure or not do anything (I vote for "not do anything").

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. Just know that the majority of people will enjoy what you show them. Don't let this a-hole ruin it for you.

Doug
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I'm with Eric and Justin on this one! Grabby people are hazards of the trade but someone throwing your prop in the bushes is grounds for a stomping!
I can certainly understand your feeling of defeat Jinx but whatever it takes my friend, don't let this scumbag win!

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Taking someone's personal item and throwing it on them is way over any boundry line. Well past rude and thoughtless. Wonder how he'd like it if you threw his
car keys or wallet in the bushes. I'd ask my friends what his problem is...

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The one thing you may want to consider is learning multiple techniques. The second someone would have said flipper, it would have went away and I would have done something with regular coins. Also, if I have someone who is actually trying to ruin other's good time, I would have nailed him. It sounds like it's not a situation where you were caught, that's another thing. If someone busts you with a gaff or sleight, I really feel your only recourse is to practice more. But, if he was just revealing secrets for the sake of being a jerk, then I would have unloaded with a strain of insults and profanities that would make Andrew Dice Clay blush.

You're a far better Gentleman that I would have been Jinx. I have to totally agree with Justin on this. I have a very playful method of handling anyone who touches my props. If someone, I don't care who, a child, lady, or millionaire CEO reaches for something I don't want them to touch, I VERY lightly slap their hand. Like mom catching you with your hand in the cookie jar before dinner. This usually does the trick. However, it someone would grab something and throw it in the bushes it's different. If it were in a professional situation, I'd probably grab something of his, wallet, keys, glasses and do exactly the same. If it were a casual situation like you are saying, I'd do the same, after kicking him in his boys and kneeing him in the face.
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If someone had thrown my coins during the middle of a performance, I would have looked at the guy who threw them in the eye and been like, " And for my next trick, the Bullet Catch....."
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Ladies and Gentleman, for the first and only time, Eric Jones made me laugh.
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Quote:
On 2008-09-19 14:34, Eric Jones wrote:
If someone had thrown my coins during the middle of a performance, I would have looked at the guy who threw them in the eye and been like, " And for my next trick, the Bullet Catch....."

I would've looked him in the eye until he broke down crying! Cause he would've been able to read MY mind from my stare, and know what I was thinking of doing to him in return. ;P

Anyway, I just happened to have read Jay Sankey's blog, and he had a post about a similar situation (with coins too):
http://blog.sankeymagic.com/default.asp?Display=14#Comments
The post it titled "Avoid Getting Dirty". Expertly handled.
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The next effect would've been Coin thru Glass.....through his drivers side window.

....or a good throat punch as Eric suggested.
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Just for the record...I DON'T advocate violence.

I just like talking like a tough guy.


One time, a magician friend was giving me a hard time. I let it go. Then one day he had a wad of hundred dollar bills. I told him I just learned a NEW bill tear and to give me 5 of the hundreds.

I stacked them together and told him (and another guy who was there) to watch very closely. RIP, right down the center, his eyes almost bugged out of his head and he gave me a look like to say, "hey I hope this is a trick"? I now ripped the 10 pieces into 20. Then I threw them into the air and watched them float to the floor, then I said I was only kidding, I didn't learn a new bill tear. Tears came out of his eyes.

I left.

He thought once you rip money that it would not be any good. He wanted me to tape the bills back together; I told him that I didn't have any tape.

And this guy was a big time magician.
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Justin, you're a meanie.......
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If it's someone you know that did this, the keys in the bushes "gag" sounds like a great way to go. Of course it's not the best way to go or even the second best way to go but it would certainly send a clear message.
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You could follow up with the "Vanishing Razor Blade" where it "reappears" superglued under the door handle of his car.

NOT that I would actually advocate this....Smile
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