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I am not 100% sure of where to ask this. I figured this would be the best place.

I am wondering, how much would someone charge to teach a kid magic? (11 year old)

No details yet, just curious. I figured it would depend on the type of magic.

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Find out what music lessons cost and use that as a guideline. Most stores that sell guitars will offer lessons. In Maryland I believe they run around $35 -$50/hour. I would get a sample contract from one to review as it goes over cancellations and all those things you never thought would happen! Make sure to factor time/gas to travel into your cost.
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Tpax,

Thanks for the idea.
I didn't think about a contract deal like that for cancelling and such.

I figured it all depends on the kids goals and what they want to learn.

And excuse my "type-o"s guys. I started this thread at 1 AM! Ahhh!

I am looking into flexable job options in my new home, New York City!

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Maybe you could do a deal with a school there. Each kid paying for the tuition each time and the school making some space available.
If you start with something like the Benson Bowl. They can bring the bowl and you could initially sell them the sponge balls with a small margin.
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Thanks Lawrence! I love it!

I thought about doing something for kids after school. It may fit great with my school schduel. I have directed childrens theatre so an after school program may be nice.

I am really trying to find a nice magic gig that I can trust for some income while I am doing my school work in a new city.

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I have not done Magic lessons, but I have given softball pitching lessons for years. I charge more for the first intro basic lesson, then I come down for a return person. What about a package deal of 5 lessons? Just a thought.

If you are talking about one or two kids, then show them just a few basic tricks and then tell them to go to their public library to check out, "Now You See It, Now You Don't by Bill Tarr."

Group Lesson - In Texas, there are programs run by YMCA OR YWCA at the elementary schools so kids can stay at the school till 6 pm. The kids have study, play, and snack time. They do have shows come in for the kids, like once a month.

Hope this helps,
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You asked how much to charge one kid for magic lessons, and my answer to you is to charge him nothing. I do not believe any of us paid the people who taught us magic. It is our obligation to share our art.
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THANK YOU Al! That is also exactly how I feel as well. I have been a co-leader of the Philadelphis Society of Young Magicians for over 15 years now and also work with youth on the national level. I have never once gotten paid nor want to get paid for teaching kids magic.

As Al stated, I feel also that it is my obligation to help others to learn about the art of magic and to not only teach them but to push them along the correct paths. It is giving back to magic what magic has given to me. It is giving back to our art.

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Kyle
Thank you for all of your kind words, but I started as a juggler, and any juggler will tell you:
share the art,
never say bad things about another juggler,
never do anything that will give juggling a bad name.
These are just a few of our fundamentle rules. We don't smoke, drink, curse, and we always try to look slippery clean when representing jugglers.
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Way to go Al and Kyle Smile

I guess if you really need some extra cash...teach for free but charge for the props Smile
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I remember my first trip to a magic shop. It was at least 25-30 years ago, maybe more. It was Fabjance Studios in Bethalto Illinois and John Fabjance was the owner. I'll never forget him. Every time I went into his shop, and it was a lot, he always helped me with learning things about magic. I spent a lot of money in his shop but the information and guidance he gave me was worth way more than what I spent. He never treated me like just a "customer". Everyting I bought from his shop he helped me with.

He taught me that doing magic was more than just doing a cool trick for your friends, it was something special. I can't really find the right words for what I want to say other than he was a very special man that helped me a LOT in learning the art of magic and I'll never forget him.

I really miss his magic shop a lot.
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Al,

That's crazy talk.

If you provide a service it is perfectly reasonable to charge a fee.

By the way, doing group lessons is the way to go. Approach the schools and offer a magic class once a week as part of their after-school program. $10-15 per child, per class. Minimum 15 kids.

Best,
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Not crazy talk at all. It is just simply what Al and I and others believe is all. If you want to charge for a class, then go for it. I certainly would not be stopping you as it certainly is your choice to do so.

I just strongly believe that magic is an art form and we need to share that art form with others. I prefer to teach anyone who wants to learn magic and do so freely without pay. That is how the art grows and that is how we get folks interested in magic. If I can make a difference, I am going to do so.

I do not need to make money teaching people magic. I do that through my shows and other various means. Sharing the art I love with others is something I feel I should never charge for.

I have been teaching magic to kids ages 7-17 for 15 years twice a month and would never think about asking to get paid to do it. It has its own rewards and then some.

But that is just me and who I am and what I believe in. To each his own. I just wish there were people like Al and like myself out there when I was a kid learning magic. I can not even fathom where I might be right now if there was.

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Kyle,

That's fair enough. It is very nice of you to give lessons for free.

However, the original poster was asking about how much to charge. It's not necessary to guilt him into giving away his services for free. I think it is perfectly reasonable to charge for magic lessons.

Best,
James
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James, with all due respect I DO NOT believe that anyone was trying to GUILT him into NOT Charging. I think that most people would agree that if it is just ONE or TWO people we should be willing to TEACH them the knowledge that we have so that we may continue having MAGIC be represented many years from now. And by truly teaching someone then they will NOT try and be an INSTANT Magician like so many of the KIDZ are doing these days.

However, my wife is a school teacher and I have taught many after school program students magic. The school receives a GRANT and they want someone to teach and I come in and Teach, they pay for the PROPS, and they Pay my FEE.

So, all in all is it wrong to Charge? NO it is not. Do I personally charge a serious student or two (NO) I do not. But we each have our own beliefs and what we feel in our heart.

There is NO RIGHT or WRONG answer to this question. Just personal preferences.

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James,

Thanks for posting your thoughts and opinions. I do appreciate them. You are right. It really is up to the individual to determine if they feel they want to charge for lessons or not. That is not up to me to say. Only you can determine what you feel is right and proper. If you want to charge, then do so, just make sure you are teaching them the right ways to do magic and uphold the art form in the process.

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Rodney,

Jacob posted the following:
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I am really trying to find a nice magic gig that I can trust for some income while I am doing my school work in a new city.


With that in mind, it is not particularly helpful for Al to say:
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You asked how much to charge one kid for magic lessons, and my answer to you is to charge him nothing. I do not believe any of us paid the people who taught us magic. It is our obligation to share our art.


I did read that last sentence to be a bit of a guilt trip.

Although I am sure Al and Kyle didn't intend to come across that way, since they are both good eggs.

Posted: Sep 22, 2008 1:29am
Kyle,

Just read your last post. Your heart is always in the right place.

Best,
James
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I think it's fair to teach for free, charge for the props Smile

That's how I got into magic 20 years ago...an old magician named Tamplin was teaching for free....but was charging for the props he made himself Smile

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I do not disagree with James. My point is if you are in a one on one situation give it away, but if you have 15 kids charge a nominal fee. James has a great DVD on this subject and I highly reommemd it, but one kid with a lot of curiosity should be given some direction to get started on the right track. James is my buddie.
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Twenty years ago, teaching for free might have been okay. But since then, petrol prices have gone up, you have to hire a venue, props are more expensive, and even photocopying the instructions costs money.

Then there is your time, while donating it for free when you have the choice, that's one thing. But if your going to schedule weekly classes, then you are effectively saying no to paid work during that time slot.

You cannot afford to teach free magic classes anymore. Its not free, its actually costing YOU!

If someone wants to learn for free, advise them to go to the nearest library and borrow all the magic books that are free. Advise them to go onto YouTube and learnamagictrick.com and watch all the magic tutorial videos for free. There are lots of free alternatives today, that don't require us paying for somebody else's tuition.

Than there is the fact that most parents expect to pay for services and they hire a plumber for £70 / $140 and other services. Teachers need to pay the bills as well, and parents get a government allowance for their children. It is fair to charge any parent a moderate fee on your time. If a parent goes to work and gets paid in their job, for their time. Why should you offer it for free?

I like the fact that you are helping children, but we live in a world where if you don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house and risk going to jail. When you have a family at home to feed and bills to pay, then you have to make a living. These are the rules of the modern world. Its very different to how it was twenty years ago.

In regards to price, tpax's advice on comparing it to guitar lessons I think is a great idea. It gives you a competitive structure to work with. You can also just work through the yellow pages to compare different prices.
Otherwise, I would just charge them my standard hourly rate, because that is what I could be earning elsewhere. (Depending on the day obviously).
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