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Regan
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I like The Raven too.

Carlo and Gerard, Does the extra felt 'weaken' it very much? I've thought about trying this for a while, but I was afraid it would not work as well.

Regan
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Hi,

Here in Spain it gets pretty warm and most of the year I wear long sleeved shirts, without a jacket.

Does the Raven work just as well in long sleeves?

One more thing (referring to the m used): anyone know which N this is? I'm guessing it's small but a higher N might improve the effect.

Chris
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The Raven works fine with long sleeves. In fact, mine is hooked up in the more traditional way, inside my duster (overcoat for you Spaniards).


Posted: Nov 22, 2004 1:14am
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...Also, think what a Raven could do for a chop cup! The ball is in the hand, in the pocket, the hand, the pocket. Then it's in the Specs hand... but back in yours.

I've only done it once, but the reaction was stupendous. I always have the Raven ready for it, but the hookup during a performance, right under the spectator's nose has proven a bit more than I can handle yet.
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On 2004-11-21 22:50, rikbrooks wrote:
The Raven works fine with long sleeves. In fact, mine is hooked up in the more traditional way, inside my duster (overcoat for you Spaniards)


Well, I'm English but I'm just as glad you clarified what a duster was! Otherwise I'd have imagined you making fluff disappear around the house in a wholly remarkable way.

:)
tony4938
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I've just ordered the Raven X2 with the DVD how does this differ from the first Raven?
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Very very bad...

I have both the raven and the raven X2 setup in jackets...

I use the raven all the time, and I never use the Raven X2...

It is way too bulky, and there are major issues with it moving freely and in a timely mannor without too much force.

I do like the idea about having a holdout on the gimick, however in practice this is more of a detriment than a bonus.

1: The X2 is way too bulky to move in and out reliably. This is a very big issue, because I use the raven all the time with no problems, however I shudder to use the X2 in public because it is so bulky... not visibility, but if you have the original, the "retraction" is *extremly* problomatic.

2: A nice feature of the Raven is the smoothness of the handling, how the hand doesn't touch or pause. With the X2 there is touching, and usually friction has to happen to "unload" whatever your unloading.



Anyway, Stick with the original Raven, it is by far the best.

Also, I think vanishes are better served by this gimick than switches.... there is not much point to the X2 other than switching.
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Thanks for that Daegs,

The reason I got an X2 was because I was told 'it is everything the Raven is only better'!

I will have to get the original Raven and see what suits me I suppose.

Cheers Guys
Tony
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The Raven is not a trick. It's not a no brainer self working type of thing.
You have to work with it and practice with it. Oh no the P word!
There are many ways it can be used. And it does create apparent miracles.
Basically it's used as part of a routine. It's doesn't stand alone well.
I suspect a bunch of people bought a Raven because they knew David Blaine used it.
It may not fit your style and you may not like it but that doesn't make
it a bad utility device.
Once you say that then you close your mind to creativity and the game is over.

I do think it was poorly engineered if at all.
The magnet did not need to be as large as it is. I opened up the felt on one side and with a knife trimmed it down on the edges making it 1/2 the width it started out. Then I closed up the felt. Now it is far more functional slipping into places it would get hung up on before. Give it a try.
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Bottom line guys, should I buy it, or spend $20 on coffee and stay up all night learning the sleights to replace it? Please, clear this up.
-Taylor M
tony4938
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I would buy it it's a great accessory. I'm very happy with mine.
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Thanks, I think I'll talk to santa about that...

Happy hollidays all!
-Taylor M
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I think that when you put time to master the Raven...you will have a beautiful effect of magic. I know, my did do this all the time...

Devilix
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Raven, the most fantastic, revolutionary re-invention of 'Ken Allen's Scoop' that has appeared on the market in years. If you want self working tricks buy Tenyo, Fun Inc., and Adams beginners tricks. If you want to blow your spectators away. Buy good utilities and practice. Yes, it requires set up. There is a price to pay for performing miracles.

Raven is a good investment for people that wish to do real magic!
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I've disliked the raven since I bought it at a magic shop along with a video, and it damaged the video.
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On 2004-12-22 16:39, TaylorTheGreat wrote:
Thanks, I think I'll talk to santa about that...

Happy hollidays all!


Did you get it ?
I'll put in a vote here for the raven.
It's a neat tool, the best pull I've ever seen as yet.
Like many others here have said, it's a tool, not a standalone trick. You need to use your imagination. It's not that stiff of an investmant either, relatively speaking.
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Dizzy
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Worse thing magical I've bought, still in its box in my bottom draw, but glad others use it and find it useful,

Dizzy
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Just got my raven a couple of weeks ago... Personnaly, I love it! The DVD does show quite a few ideas that are very good. But to tell you the truth, if you have a little imagination, there are hundreds of ways to work the effect in a routine... Here in canada, most of our coin currency will stick quite well to the raven, so you don't even have to find steel core coins!

What more could you possibly want? It does take a little pratice to handle correctly, but then again most things in magic do.

Have a nice day!

Louis Smile
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Yeah, its true, people complain oftentimes right of the bat...
practice with any tool 1008 times, then make a judgement....
the raven gets hung up sometimes, but I simply hold my elbow close to my waist as I show the hands empty, and I walk away in a flash...but most of the times its fine.

just because something takes a little work, doesn't by any means mean that its no good.
I give the raven two TT's up....
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Caw, Caw, Caw!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bat:

( sorry, no ravens, only bats on the codes;-)
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Carlo
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I don't understand the complaints. Is there a better method for making a coin disappear from a spectator's open hand without your even having touched it?
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