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Stefan Sch. New user Switzerland 26 Posts |
Hi friends of the bizarre!
We just released a really bloody effect. Certainly one of the bloodiest and most shocking card effects. Have a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pE4aIlfQdE |
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BillyTheSquid Veteran user My bamboo hut's supported on 331 Posts |
Wierd.
Maybe I'm just being a bit thick, but from the video, I can't see what the effect is apart from someone chooses a card and then you appear to pull your fingernail off. Without being able to hear what's being said, I'm unclear as to what is supposed to be happening and why a pack of cards is necessary in the first place. What is the effect about? Cheers, Matt - frazzled from a heavy week of teaching. |
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Stefan Sch. New user Switzerland 26 Posts |
This is the product description:
The magician lets a spectator choose a card from a deck. He lets the spectator hold the card and concentrate on it. Now comes the absolute insane part! The magician grips the nail of his thumb and starts to pull. He rips off gently the nail from the thumb. Blood squirts and runs from the injured nail bed and the magician shows the injured thumb. He dries the blood with a napkin and shows the nail bed from very close. On the nail bed has appeared the configuration of their card! Alternative ending: Dry the injury with a napkin and show the bloody napkin with the configuration of the chosen card on the napkin. |
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Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
Hmmm, not being too judgemental. But it's a card trick. Now, I like card tricks but why post this in Spooky? People have been shot for doing card tricks around here. . . well, not here per se, but . . . .
Blood does not bizarre make. Blood with a purpose, sure, but I don't see the purpose here. Where do you think it's going to be appropriate to perform this? What emotion are you trying to invoke? What reaction do you hope to get? How are you going to present this in a way that doesn't come off as a wholly inappropriate, gross card revelation? Frankly, if you want me to like a magic trick where blood "squirts and runs" from an injury it better have a bigger payoff than a card revelation. I wish you all the luck in the world, but I suspect you're barking up the wrong tree here. I don't find this that imaginative, that creative, or even that shocking. Just. . . oh never mind. I think after several years, the Café has finally made me jaded. Bound to happen eventually, I guess.
What would Wavy do?
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karvis Regular user spain 141 Posts |
Sory for my comment, I don't want to be rude, but, after watching the video, I feel the effect discusting...not bizarre, with no sense..
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spook Regular user Columbus, OH 150 Posts |
Same opionion as Raven, just a teency bit less jaded (because I haven't been here as long...just wait.)
20 dead ferrets says the people who buy this will do so only to run up to their friends and pull their fingernail off. "Ewwwwwwww" will be considered a standing ovation. The card trick part won't even come into play. 20 more dead ferrets says the effect will be a hit with the ellusionist demographic; mostly magicians too young to shave or ones that do who find 'the bra trick' hi-larious. But even the crappiest trick can be made meaningful through compelling presentation. I don't believe many people, if any, who purchase this will spend the time NOT showing their friends and finding then perfecting a way to make this more than a hoped-for grossout. That being said, Penn and Teller built an empire on vulgar and sometimes bloody card revelations. But the two have more than that; they have immediately identifiable CHARACTERS that play off one another and usually the audience is laughing before Penn says a word. Penn and Teller are comedy magicians first and foremost, even though their work does contain some elements of the bizarre. Similarly, bizarre magick can have elements of comedy. But rarely are the two confused. But good lord. In the video the performer's hands and facial expressions don't portray in the slightest someone who is getting their fingernail ripped off. It's the standard grimace accompanied by a series of grunts we see with the arm chopper, needle through arm or any of the self-mutilation effects: a magician making faces and noises and thinking it passes for acting. Just for starters, if one got their fingernail ripped off BOTH hands would be flailing uncontrollably, not just idly frozen so the spectators can get a better view. Also, a "nail bed" does not have a second shiny fingernail, complete with visible ridges, peeking out beneath like is seen in the close up. Having said that, yeah, I'd probably do it as a silly card trick for a few close friends if I bought one. Not that I'm going to. |
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Clifford the Red Inner circle LA, California 1941 Posts |
Meh.
The least you could do is pull the signed and folded card from underneath your nail like a bamboo torture and scream "IS THIS YOUR CARD??" That might be magic but even then it would not be bizarre.
"The universe is full of magical things, waiting for our wits to grow sharper." Eden Philpotts
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Eddie Garland Inner circle Hells Kitchen, New York City 4207 Posts |
Perhaps if a caged invisible demon chewed your finger to sustain its powers and we watched the finger nail lift slowly via invisible thread....nah.
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BillyTheSquid Veteran user My bamboo hut's supported on 331 Posts |
I'd class this effect as towards the shock end of geek magic effect, in the same line as needle through arm etc. Not that there's anything wrong with those and, yes, I've even done that in the past when trying to work out my own style, but this isn't bizzare in the slightest.
Bizzare is more of a theatrical artform and requires thought and storylines. (Did I just sound like a snob there? Apologies if it came across that way). This will satisfy the teenager market wanting to appear different and shock in the school yard. It can only help those of us wanting to take the spectator on a journey through a routine with storytelling & theatrics appear better. In the meantime, it may leave some with a bad impression of magicians (but then, did the arm chopper ever make magicians look bad - maybe so?). Cheers, Matt |
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EVILDAN Inner circle 1279 Posts |
So, I take it that you can do this twice in a strolling gig and then you're done for the night...right?
I checked out the video. 1. Out of all the groups performed for, there is one shot of a single person clapping. No other applause. 2. I watched it two more times and still couldn't see the card reveal on the napkin or the nail. On the napkin I could make out what could be a "K" but forget about the suit. 3. I absolutely LOVE how the filming technique hides the tearing off of the nail in shadow. If anyone bought this, does it suggest you tear off your nail in the veiled darkness of night shadows? Based on what I've seen, I don't like it. I'll pass.
by EVILDAN....
"The Coin Board Book" - moves and routines with the coin panel board. - http://www.lybrary.com/the-coin-board-book-p-827955.html "SLASHER - A Horror Whodunnit" - a bizarre close-up routine based on Bob Neale's "Sole Survivor." PM me for more info. "Zombie Town" - a packet effect about how a small town turned into zombies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJhcoJtyOM |
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Bryce Regular user Oxon, UK 108 Posts |
Might be fun to just pull the nail off and watch people squirm instead of using cards with this.
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3908 Posts |
An old Classic... |
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beyrevra Regular user 107 Posts |
Is it that bizarre magic ? Odd magic? Magick ?
I like also the magic which makes fear or gore magic (Grand Guignol) but then I do not regard this work as bizarre magic! Bizarre magic is full with poetry and plays with the inhabitants of the other world to make us, by means of beautiful strange objects, effects which seem miraculous. Who charm us! To amuse people by tearing off a nail to then wipe its blood on the tablecloth…. It is only scatological humour. To make vomit a spectator of dislike… whereas it is not even afraid it is just ****. The pétomane was odd too but he did not make odd magic with its flatulences. Read again Eugene Burger… and Papus and you do not mislead in way. Or then do not say that you are bizarrist. |
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
This is an era in which HIV causes people to fear blood. WA\as it shock or dear youe spectators were experiencing? I find myself in agreementwith others who have voiced a negative opinion of this effect. It isn't really an effect, just a stunt with no real logical connection to the card which was chosen. I would not buy it, hence never perform it. WHy not have a card chosen. TEar it in pieces. Have spectator hold one piece. You swallow the rest. Drop your pants, have a bowel movement on the sidewalk. Sift through the feces with your finger to locate the semi restored card. the piece they hold matches and fits perfectly. You could call the effect' This Too will pass. Card then magically changes to a TWO of whatever suit. NOw, that's MAGIC!!
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Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
Hilarious, Kotah!
"This Too Will Pass," by Charlie Chan's Number Two son.
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Seth speaks Inner circle New Mexico 1249 Posts |
Completely gross, no mystery or wonder, no connection to anyone or anything, totally illogical, not entertaining in the least, and simply an awful, absurd trick. This seems to be the continuing Criss Angel influence that is ruining magic. Agree with Kotah--about as fun as watching a card revelation in a bowel movement. I find garbage like this so irritating...
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spook Regular user Columbus, OH 150 Posts |
There HAS been a card revelation in a bowel movement. Made it to the Linking Ring magazine,complete with an illustration. Check out the February 1986 issue. I sh*t you not.
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Tony Chris V.I.P. Vancouver, Canada 714 Posts |
As a bizzrrist for many years I must say that I don't see this effect as being plausible in any kind of true working bizarre environment. It was very difficult for me to watch.
It simply isn't bizarre but rather more special effects/geek magic. I would be very worried about how someone could react to this effect as it will definitley bring some people who are quite squeamish about blood and gore to possibly becoming physically sick to their stomach. You definitley don't want that! Nobody wins there. It would not be an effect that I would ever be comfortable performing for anyone as it was hard to watch for myself as I am also a bit squeamish when it comes to blood. I almost pass out at the site of anyone's blood including my own. Although I appreciate that you are going for the "wow/shock" factor, I believe this effect could make some of the viewers who witness it, physically sick. Very few people I know can watch a blood and gore affect without feeling uncomfortable. Stefan, as you read all these comments which I am sure you are considering to be negative, please remember that as bizzarrists our common thought process is to offer some magic that is different from mainstream, possiblly a bit scary but always entertaining in the essence that bizarre magick should look like real "old world style" offerings. We are simply telling you that this effect would not be fiting into a bizarre type performance but more for shock/gore/geek magic. There is such a huge difference in these worlds and I don't think this effect will be an easy sell for you to the contemporary or bizarre magicians of today. Nobody is slamming you here, we are just being honest and offering our true thoughts as practioners of the "ART" of bizarre magick. You of course don't have to listen to us as that is your perogitive also. Tony
As magicians we create what onlookers call magic. If they truly believe in what we have created for them to witness then magic is real!!!
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matt straightedge New user 90 Posts |
You know maybe you could use that concept to produce a small piece of paper with a letter on it from beneath the nail. it has the budding potential to become very twin peaks. now if you worked on THAT approach it could very well become bizarre. unfortunately they already found sarah palmers killer.
ps- it was leland.
Revolutionary but gangster
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Maybe the trick can be saved; however, the question is whether it would be worth it.
Stefan: I really don't think you understand what Bizarre is about. It's not about gore. It's not about maiming people. It's not about causing the spectators to hurl (unterbrechen mit Gewalt). It's about creating the impression that real magic has occurred and touching the heartstrings. You seldom will do that with a card trick. You definitely won't do that with a gore trick. Get hold of a copy of Borodin's book Sheherazed and read what he says on pages 81 and 82. If you want to produce a shock reaction from the spectators, you can do it without blood and guts. Spook: That card revelation was probably the single most objected to trick that was ever printed in the Linking Ring. The editor tried to weasel his way around it by saying that there was a show on television where the people were obviously walking around such an object to avoid it. I reminded him that they didn't actually show the "object" on the show. They IMPLIED it. Stefan: The above remark reminds me of something. Often the worst gore is that which we see with our mind's eye and not with our physical eye. Sometime when you have a chance, read what Aristotle says in Poetics about things the audience should never witness, such as Oedipus actually blinding himself.
"The Swatter"
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