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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
But a friend of mine is telling me about a David Blaine (aka "him who we don't speak of") effect where he "moves" the black circle on a bill by "rubbing" it off. Apparently he has a similar effect where he "moves" something written on a spectator's hand. I checked out the video of the bill effect and while the second half of the effect is obvious, the first half (the removal) I'm not sure about.
Is this a real effect (i.e. something that can actually be performed for people) or another "made for TV" effect (i.e. something that works only when you have a TV special) that he is oh so famous for? The concept intrigues me and might be something worth looking into. |
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ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts |
You got David wrong here. The only time this happened was during the levitation and that's only because he wanted to show what people actually remember. A friend recently did the levitation at one of the places I work at even though he lifted an inch off the ground, the girl remembered him lifting off a foot.
What you saw on the special, you can do. Are you referring to the X's that are drawn on the hand then move under the coin? No wait, I just reread your post, I didn't see that one, but I'm sure it can be done, maybe not released yet. Probably a Paul Harris effect.
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts |
No, he's referring to Fraud by Daniel Garcia.
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ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts |
Oh ok. Thanks.
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Bertrand Thornley Loyal user Tampa, FL 278 Posts |
I shouldn't tell this( you'll find it anyway) but the x's on the hand is by Matthew Bich- can't spell his name at moment. It's called Exile and will be released soon. I qualified it that way because I'd prefer to only have almost everyone doing it-- rather than everyone.
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
I think you misunderstood what I meant. DB uses editing to make things seem different than they are, by what he leaves out, etc. and also has things set up that look impromptu but aren't. What the spectator's see and are reacting to is not the same as what we see. Like when he asks to borrow someone's gimmicked prop, unless you think people are going around carrying gimmicked props without knowing it. lol
And like when he has them write something down and tear it up but then say they need to start over for the camera, etc. There's also things like the card through the window, that while you can definitely do it, you have to have things set up just right and isn't worth much except for doing some kind of a street magic video. He also does tricks that aren't 100% and just shows the times that they work (the levitation only worked about 50% of the time according to those who worked with DB). I remember one trick where he has someone think of someone important to them and then he reveals a "tattooed" portrait of the woman on his chest. Think you can just go out and do that one with people on the street? lol |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
BTW, I was thinking it was a Paul Harris effect as well. I remember something similar he had where you made a signature on the bill change to yours.
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Lumas Loyal user NYC 202 Posts |
In Fraud, you borrow someone's signed bill, and proceed to do the effect. You borrow their bill and move the seal on their own signed bill.
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Brandon Queen Special user Los Angeles, California 527 Posts |
You can rewind, and replay Video in slow motion and watch every move over and over.
You can't do that with real life. That's why he hands someone a prop off camera, and then asks to borrow that very prop on camera. It's not cheating in anyway. It's to keep the secret, so you don't see him "switch" stuff out. It's just a form of pre-show. Those effects you mentioned can be performed for real people in real life, and have the exact same lasting effect. I don't see anything wrong with the O'l, "ooh crap, lets start over, the cameras weren't rolling. Here.. put your dollar back in your pocket..."
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kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts |
It protects the magic and amplifies the part people remember.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Interesting, Mark Wilson did magic on Television for decades and never needed to do that (switch out gaffs to prevent the secret being seen). He also never gave away a secret.
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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
Thank you, Father Photius.
One of the objections the network and sponsors had when Mark Wilson first proposed presenting a weekly magic show on TV (which was a new idea) was that the viewing audience would assume things were done with camera tricks. So, Mark started each show with a disclaimer that no camera tricks were ever used. What the audience at home saw was exactly what the studio audience saw. What a quaint idea.
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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts |
And Doug Henning and David Copperfield never used camera tricks or editing, either. DB is guilty as charged, but I think he made a concerted effort not to do it in the recent special.
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Yeah, I'm not blasting the guy. I actually think it's really brilliant. But, the point is that not even DB can do many of the effects as they seem on TV. So some concepts may work wonderfully for a TV special, but not in other venues. Same thing with effects for stage shows - they may work wonderfully on stage, but wouldn't be possible with walk-around or close-up, etc.
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
I know this has nothing to do with the original intent of the thread, but I thought I'd post it anyway since people were sharing their opinions.
Personally, I'd rather see things done exactly the way you'd see them live, but we live in a time when everything you do can be posted online within seconds where it can be viewed ad nauseam. Magicians are to "never perform the same trick twice," remember? The first time you perform something, the audience is watching the effect. They may see a certain action as inconsequential, thereby disregarding and forgetting it. On your second performance, they already know the outcome and are more observant of what you're doing to make it happen. Since you can't even misdirect a camera once, I see nothing wrong with eliminating something from video that the live audience won't see or remember. Also, think about this: A close-up magician can use his lap to ditch things. The audience doesn't see it drop because the table obscures their vision. Similarly, a stand-up magician can use a topit because his jacket blocks their view, or he can turn to the side to ditch in his pocket. A stage magician has the backstage area, the wings, the fly loft, and the basement, and all can be used to do things that the audience can't see to accomplish an effect. I don't see how using the frame of your audience's TV is any different, nor do I see the difference in magicians who use stooges in live shows and those who do so on TV. The problem I have with some TV magic is when the magician says that what you are seeing is the same as if you were there and/or that there are no stooges when it's not and/or there are.
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dg magic Veteran user Houston , TX. 350 Posts |
I can tell you that no matter how much fuss is thrown.. no matter how many magicians complain... it doesn't matter. They can think what they want. NONE of it matters, and that is WHY David is a HOUSEHOLD name in our industry. He thinks about these small things like borrowing a bill from a spectator. David did NOT use any stooges for this special, he did not pay actors to pretend like they were random, he did not give people money and tell them to "use this." I know this because... I WAS THERE for the whole filming of the special. David is a SMART man and considers every angle for the viewer.
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mrmuji Veteran user 343 Posts |
We all know DB uses editing to make his magic look wicked, where layman doesn't know. When I perform some sleight of hand magic to my audience, they often say, "WOW...you are David Blaine." That makes me feel very disappointed, as I have spent hours and hours on practise.
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
People that think DB uses editing and/or a bunch of stooges to accomplish what he does either don't know a lot about magic, are too lazy to think creatively, or are used to watching someone else. Every effect that he's done that I can remember can be done live except one, and Alexandre made an excellent note about that one above. I, as well as many others, perform the same or similar effects regularly. Look at how many are on the market, and not one of them comes with editing software.
mrmuji, If you think "DB uses editing to make his magic look wicked," why are you disappointed when people compare you to him? Shouldn't you feel great that you're put on the same level as he is when you didn't use editing?
Michael J.
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mrmuji Veteran user 343 Posts |
Michael... I know I should appreciate their compliment, as I don't use editing to make mine look good. The fact is, they don't know DB uses editing! My point is, my hours and hours practise of sleight of hand can be easily achieved by desktop mouse manoeuvre and rated at the same level?
What I realise is that, as long as your audience can't figure it out and the result is accomplished, then it would be a miracle. Nobody will care you use gimmicks, or expensive tools, or the hardest sleight of hand, nor editing (if DB really does make it this way). Bob
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
I suggest filming yourself once to see if you can actually accomplish what you think you can without getting caught by the camera. Sure, there are plenty of effects you can do right in front of the camera, but many effects require misdirection. Getting misdirection from a camera is **** near impossible, which is why the camera man must move the shot while some of the 'moves' are done. I don't consider this cheating. We do the same thing live when performing effects. We misdirect the audience into looking or concentrating elsewhere while we do what we need to do.
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