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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 17:01, Sorceress wrote: I'm not hiding. My name is actually Payne
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John Star New user 47 Posts |
To much money!!!
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Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
Payne couldn't be more wrong. I'll take an analogy from the movie Liar Liar...Beauty is on the inside....that's only what ugly people say.
Well in Payne's rebuttal...'Sure it sounds horrible but this rate was only payable on the income he made over the $200,000 cut off point. I'm sure he wasn't exactly hurting for money. Since 90% of the money in this country is made by the top 10% of the populatiom shouldn't they pay 90% of the taxes?" That's only what poor people say. Kevin
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 19:17, Living Illusions wrote: Multi-billionaire Warren Buffett Slams Tax System Disparities By Tomoeh Murakami Tse Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, June 27, 2007; Page D03 NEW YORK, June 26 -- Warren E. Buffett was his usual folksy self Tuesday night ... as he slammed a system that allows the very rich to pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class. Buffett cited himself, the third-richest person in the world, as an example. Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent. Buffett said that was despite the fact that he was not trying to avoid paying higher taxes. "I don't have a tax shelter," he said. And he challenged Congress and his audience to see what the people who "clean our offices" are taxed, to loud applause.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 19:17, Living Illusions wrote: Gates Sr. supports estate tax By Jim Hopkins, USA TODAY SAN FRANCISCO — President Bush, in pushing big tax cuts for America's wealthiest, is about to get an earful from an unlikely opponent, again. Bill Gates Sr. — father of the co-founder of Microsoft who is the USA's richest man — is fighting to keep Bush from killing the estate tax that hits the super-rich but also some small-business owners and farmers. His son agrees with him, as do billionaires Warren Buffett, David Rockefeller Sr. and others. Why? Gates, 78, says the wealthy should pay the tax because they owe a special debt. Their riches, he says, would not be possible without a strong society supporting capitalism. "Most of the things that have generated the enormous advances in our economy are things that started on some campus or in some laboratory," Gates said in an exclusive interview last week. "And most of those are because the government financed it."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 19:23, balducci wrote: If the Estate Tax goes away, you inherit CAPITAL GAINS. There is no free lunch!
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 19:13, John Star wrote: Written by a man destined to be poor. That would be "too." Now, if you were giving a cheer for prosperity while using spanglish it might make some sense.
POOF!
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nums Veteran user I have a life, or I would have more than 366 Posts |
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I would make it like it is in Maryland now. Food that needs to be prepared along with fresh fruits/vegetables are tax free. If it is ready to eat then it is taxed. Although I would proably go at 10% tax for food. Do remember that ALL other taxes would be eliminated and I believe with this system would be fair and the Goverment would have more than it needed to run. I currently pay about 50% in taxes. Remind you that this is not my tax bracket but out of every dollar I make either the feds, the state or the county take 50 cents and I would love the other way. NUMS |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 20:53, Steven Conner wrote: Are you sure that is the case? I'm not a tax lawyer, but: "Without the estate tax, capital gains included in an estate would never be taxed. Under current law, the gain from appreciation of an asset is subject to the income tax only when the asset is sold. Upon the sale of an asset, the difference between the purchase price and the sale price is taxed as a capital gain. If a person holds on to an asset until he or she dies, however, the heirs inherit the asset at its value at the time of the decedent's death. The gain on the asset from the time of purchase to the time of death is never taxed under the income tax." http://www.cbpp.org/7-7-00tax.htm
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Sorceress New user 34 Posts |
Do you know what Convoluted and Circuitous thinking is? It is a way to win an argument BY WEARING OUT the other person. You go off on so many tangents that the other person can't keep up the argument. You can also Cheat ANOTHER way in an argument, by making up CRAP to support your argument. Look at paynes posts.
And Balducci, OF COURSE the SUPER RICH, democrat GATES WANT income TAXED TWICE, ala the Death Tax -- They LOOK Bad because they have TOO Much! This Baloney article does NOT support your views, it merely shows that the Gates don't WISH to look like the fat cats they are, BUT DOES ANYONE HERE actually they won't be passing on HUGE Fortunes to future generations? They are trying to create an illusion they don't really subscribe too. ` ` ` You know I have been thinking about these posts: What is it you all are getting Out of doing this? Is the fun in hearing yourselves talk? Because I don't see ANYONE learning anything from it. You tell it like it is and all Balducci and Redshirt do is FAIL to learn anything from it. I mean, it would be different if SOMEONE Here could actually LISTEN and learn something, but it goes right smack over their heads. You would think that a University Prof would be able to understand a different idea but he completely doesn't get it. I guess I don't understand the fun it repeating the same points week after week and have No one listen. And then you have cheaters come in and try to win the argument by cheating. If some of the people were able to demonstrate that they understand what is being disgussed, fine, but I see no such understanding. People seem to only see what they read into it, and don't really listen to what is said. Could someone PLEASE explain what is so great about doing this? Is it just the fun of arguing your point? |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 23:06, Sorceress wrote: In truth the so called super rich could write a check to the treasury department any time they wanted. Also, most billionaires, like Warren Buffett and Soros rarely earn income, so taxes for them is only due at a lower rate on dividend earnings. Even altruistic mega-stars like Bono set up their residence in countries that don't tax on royalty earnings. People aren't dumb ... they're just suckers.
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MAKMagic Special user I got banned for one of my 555 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 23:23, kregg wrote: Actually I think it's a combination. Actually, no, your right. They are suckered into believing that the government is the answer to all their woes, and everyone elses to. They think the government should provide the housing, health, food, comfort for everyone whom "NEEDS" it as well as protecting our streets and borders and allowing us to make a life for ourselves. The further down this path we go the more and more we go torwards the former and further from the latter. The TRUTH is the government owes NO ONE - this includes me, you, uncle joe with no arms and legs, and Palin's down syndrome child - ANYTHING. They don't owe healthcare. Homes. Money. Food. They are there to keep the peace and allow us to make lives for ourselves and ensure we have the environment needed to progress. The sooner people stop feeling they are owed ANYTHING just because they were born the better off this world will be.
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Sorceress New user 34 Posts |
Would ANY of you sacrifice for 19 years to educate yourselves Greatly, so that you are the one of the Best doctors in the country, IF, when you left school and started working:
` ` (1.) the money you made for saving someone's life, doing a very difficult, very complex operation was equal to about the cost of radio, Not the cost of a great TV. ` ` (2.) The Government dictated to you what you could and could not do for treatment based on fiscal rules, ie, you could NOT decide How to treat the patient to make them well ` ` (3.) You were only allowed 10 minutes with the patient, no matter how complex the problem to diagnose and solve ` ` (4.) ETC (i have posted this previously) ` ` ANSWER: None of you would and that is one of the problems with socialized healthcare. NOW, in western countries that have it, those with money go to OTHER countries to get the treatment they need OR they go to private clinics. ` ` ` Once a nationalized healthcare is pushed in (like the new rescue bill has been pushed in!!!) in this country it will look like THIS: ` ` (1.) Companies CEASE to offer healthcare insurance, so suddenly MILLIONS are dependent on the Government healthcare plan ` ` (2.) The government raises taxes to afford it. (3.) The current administration does away with programs they didn't like by the other party (4.) when all of these other party programs have been cut to raise money for the national healthcare, The New party in power announces that they need to RAISE Taxes Again, and millions of Americans Have to have this healthcare insurance because they have nothing else, and so they MUST Keep voting the current party into power to KEEP their healthcare. The American people are NOW dependent on the Government to keep funding the system that they rely on. NOW, The Government RELIES on OUR votes, In this new America after the CHANGE everyone desires, WE will be dependent on THE GOVERNMENT, Not they on US. NEXT our Government will explain to all of us that the last raises in Taxes and cutting of programs was not ENOUGH to FUND this program. That back in 2008 there were 300 Million citizens BUT Now, in 2020 there are 600 Million people here because the people who came in illegally and stayed became american citizens and because of our laws those 30 Million people were able to bring in family members and they had children and on average each person increased the population by 6 more people, IN Addition to the normal growth of the population. Then you learn that the Government has had to borrow to fund the healthcare system that has been underfunded, and NOW we all simply have to deal with the Healthcare CRISIS and IN THIS WAY, the Government will reach more deeply into your POCKETS than you would EVER Have imagined, TAXING ALL of us to our limit. ` ` The doctors as we have seen in other western countries, will be disastisfied with the lousy wages and inability to practice medicine as they wish to, based on the NEEDS of the patient, but will have to do what is ALLOWED based on Fiscal concerns. So most doctors will come from 3rd world countries who want to get out of their own countries and come for a better life, They won't have the best educations. The doctors who are trained the best will be in private clinics treating people with money. The new american way of life will be without the affluence we know now, instead, most of our money will be going to taxes to pay for healthcare. Healthcare is the FOCUS of bad lawmakers because IT is the MEANS by which OUR Lawmakers will change this country into a SOCIALIST STATE, from Capitalism. HEALTHCARE is the means by which our lawmakers will be able to TAKE MOST of YOUR hard earned MONEY, and it is the means by which to FORCE YOU to keep Voting them into office FOREVER! ONCE we are dependent on our politicians to Keep giving us something we MUST Have, that is, Healthcare, THEN THEY Have power OVER US. They will be able to tax us to our LIMIT. They will be able to decide WHOM gets care and whom DOESN'T, based on Fiscal needs. Fast forward 4o years and see how it is going. |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
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On 2008-10-01 13:38, Payne wrote: There has been a study that shows that the people that contribute the least to society are not as concerned weather taking money away from the rich benefits them, as long as it punishes the rich. I pretty sure you can find the study with a web search.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Paynes comment provides more proof that the people that contribute the least to society are not concerned weather taking money away from the rich benefits them, as long as it punishes the rich.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Sorceress New user 34 Posts |
Immigration: The AWFUL TRUTH
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ` ` QUESTION : ````````````````` ` ` -----I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE A CITIZEN TO VOTE??? AM I WRONG?? -- -- -- ANSWER: ``````````````````````` ` ` The SHORT ANSWER IS: ```````````````````````````````````````` ` ` -----------OUR POLITICIANS ALREADY KNOW that 50- 75 MILLION LATINOS are going to be US CITIZENS and REGISTERED VOTERS within the next 10 years and whatever party GETS those votes is going to be The Party that GETS IN And STAYS IN ` ` ` HERE ARE ALL the Details to Back up this answer: ````````````````````````````````````````````` ` ` ALL our Politicians, ARE NOT closing the borders and sending Mexicans Back to Mexico, --------------BECAUSE they are worried about alienating Latinos and NOT getting the Latino VOTE. ` ` ` Why is this true? ` ` ` IF Americans number almost 310 Million, WHY would our government be so worried about 13 Million Illegal Mexicans who CAN'T VOTE? ` ` ` Let's make it simpler: Instead of 310 Million US Citizens, let's say we number only 310, would WE BE SCARED to upset 13 people? ` ` ` Short Answer: HELL NO! ` ` ` So there is something WRONG with this picture isn't there? ` ` ` I believe the year was 2002, WHEN, for the first time OVER HALF of all the CITIZENS of California WERE FOREIGN BORN. ` ` ` The government SAYS there are only 12 or 13 Million illegals here NOW, ` ` ` BUT it is KNOWN that as many as 5 MILLION illegals cross the border Every Year ` ` ` AND Those in the know, say it has been going on for over 10 years. ` ` ` And these people have been having babies in this country who ARE citizens, so NOW how many are there? ` ` ` The TRUTH is there are at least 30 Million ILLEGALS, ` ` and we were talking about AMNESTY for 12 or 13 MILLION, SO it's REALLY amnesty for 30 MILLION. ` ` ` Everytime Amnesty is mentioned MORE stream in ` ` ` ONCE made citizens, these 30 Million NEW CItizens, CAN Each bring in relatives, though OTHER parts of our Imigration policy and IF each one ONLY BRINGS IN 4 relatives (which is considered a REALISTIC BUT a very LOW figure), these 30 million NEW citizens NOW BECOME 120 MILLION, within 10 Years with at least 50 Million to 75 million Registered Voters within 10 years. ` ` ` If 5 Million PEOPLE cross into this country EVERY YEAR, In 10 Years that is another 50 Million. ` ` ` SO NOW you have a LOW ESTIMATE OF 170 Millon NEW illegals in 10 years. ` ` ` WE CAN ALL Agree and Recognize that our politicians are PANDERING to the Mexicans and are AFRAID to alienate them, RIGHT? ` ` ` SO the SHORT ANSWER IS: ```````````````````````````````````````` ` BECAUSE the politicians VIEW them as VOTERS NOW. ` ` ` AND SINCE our Politicians VIEW these Illegals AS Voters and our Politicians Make the Laws, - - - -----HOW LONG do you expect it will take these Politicians TO GIVE them Citizenship? ` ` ` I say within 5 (or 10 years at Most) these people will ALL be given citizenship -------------- Just SO OUR POLITICIANS will Be Able to get their votes! OUR POLITICIANS CAN'T WAIT to get their votes!! They are Licking Their CHOPS over these Votes. ` ` ` YOU SEE, ` -----------OUR POLITICIANS ALREADY KNOW that 50- 75 MILLION LATINOS are going to be US CITIZENS and REGISTERED CITIZENS within the next 10 years and whatever party GETS those votes is going to be The Party that GETS IN And STAYS IN ` ` ` AND THIS is why they are ALL unable to do ANYTHING that will be interpreted as being against Illegal Mexicans Because they are about to be the BIGGEST VOTING BLOCK and No longer a small Minority vote. ` ` ` That is why Bill O'Reilly was so full of Praise for the President's Plan, and why John McCain has NOTHING to say even though he is FROM Arizona. THEY ALL KNOW what the AMERICAN PEOPLE have NOT been able to figure out. THEY KNOW that THEY are going to be bringing in 200 MILLION New Citizens eventually from South of the Border and between 50 and 75 Million will be registered Voters WITHIN 10 YEARS. ` ` ` It is almost TOO LATE to stop this, because it is a death sentence for any political party to alienate the latino vote because their will soon be so many latino citizens that either party can lose ALL their elections if Latinos turn against them. ONLY THE PEOPLE of the USA can stop it, and Americans are NOT FACING what is happening because our politicians are LYING TO US about it. ` ` ` The President has a plan that he thinks will save the day for the American people since he can NOT stop it because he came to power too late. He thinks that this Influx CAN save America from losing companies to OUTSOURCING Everywhere BUT in America. He also believes that the influx of 200 Million is going to provide a youthful work force for the aging American population, and will also raise the economic situation of the people in Mexico, as our economy always has but now with so many more Latinos sending money home, More business will ALSO come TO America as Latinos will fly on our airlines, buy our products and start businesses ETC and this nightmare will turn into HUGELY Prosperous economies for North Americans, because of the addition of many more middle class and rich Mexicans ACROSS the border doing MORE business With America, creating sort of a PAN AMERICAN economy. ` ` ` The Problem with this is the Politicians who want to put in Socialism. `````````````````````````````````````````````` ` The leadership of one party WANTS SOCIALISM, so they view all these new immigrants/ illegals as more voters for the party of the ONCE voted INTO OFFICE, with the power to pass new Laws, it is the Leadership's plan to PUSH through a NATIONAL Healthcare. ALL THEY NEED TO DO this is : Control of the Presidency, House of Representatives and Senate. ` ` ` ALL Americans are going to Be thrilled at GOVERNMENT PAID FOR HEALTHCARE!! ` ` ` And the politicians will RAISE Taxes to afford it and Companies ALL across America will DROP Their Healthcare Plans since EVERYONE can now have National (Government paid for) Healthcare ` ` ` SO Everyone will suddenly find THEY ALL NEED this Government Healthcare, and ` ` ` After the leadership quits funding all the Programs set up by the previously in power party that they can, THEN they will say the High Taxes is NOT HIGH enough to pay for the healthcare program and we ALL have to give a little more, so Taxes will go up and the RICH and Big Business will be Taxed the Most. ` ` ` BUT it still won't be enough to pay for all this expensive healthcare so taxes will go higher and the Rich who can will LEAVE the USA, and Big Business will go to other countries and the MIDDLE CLASS WILL FOOT THE BILL BY BEING TAXED TO DEATH. ` ` ` Then there will be problems with the system being UNDERFUNDED and TOO Long waiting periods to get the medical treatment you need, so Private Hospitals will spring up FOR THOSE who can afford it LIKE OUR POLITICIANS, and our BEST Doctors will set up Private Practices OUTSIDE of the country to avoid paying high taxes, and there will be a BRAIN DRAIN because those with superior educations will go to places where they do NOT have to pay such HIGH taxes. ` ` ` AND along about the time that Americans Realize that National Healthcare is BAD, ALL AMERICANS WILL BE DEPENDENT ON IT and DEPENDENT ON OUR Politicians KEEPING IT GOING, and for the First time in the USA ` ` ` ALL AMERICANS WILL HAVE to VOTE for our politicians JUST to HAVE MEDICAL CARE. ` ` ` WE will be dependent on them, NOT THEY on US for OUR Votes. ` ` ` AND TAXES will be so high that Americans WILL NOT have enough money to MOVE for a job, and we will be taxed SO EXCESSIVELY for working MORE than one job, that you won't gain anything by doing it, and for the first time in the HISTORY of America, the Common Man will NOT be able to get ahead and Make something of himself BY WORKING HARD because everything he can make above a LOW standard of living will be TAKEN away in TAXES to Pay for EVERYONE ELSE in America. ` ` ` EVERYONE in America will EXPECT to be taken care of by our government and the MIDDLE CLASS will foot the bill and when the rich or middle class try to stop it, it will NOT be possible because there will always be MORE Poor People who will keep voting for the Politicians who are Taxing us ALL to death and we will not be able to EVER change things in America to the way it is now. ` ` ` Don't believe me, YOU'RE Going to WATCH this happen, I think over the next 16 years - - - -------JUST as WE have been watching 30 Million move in without realizing what is happening, we are going to WATCH another 200 Million MOVE In. And One day soon we will realize What we ALLOWED OUR POLITICIANS to do to America, so that THEY, OUR POLITICIANS could be in control ----- - ` ` -------- with ALL Americans dependent ON THE Passage of THEIR PROGRAMS for Our Healthcare and LOWER living standards, NOT THEY on us! ` ` ` AND You think the Middle Class has it bad NOW? ` ` ` Our Politicians are GOING TO TAX the Middle Class TO THE LIMIT and there won't BE ANYTHING we can do about it. We will ALL be stuck, dependent on Government Healthcare and Other Plans to HELP us all manage our lives financially, WHILE BEING TAXED OUT OF living lives with SOME Prosperity! ` ` ` What happens Now WHILE WE SLEEP and don't FORCE our will on our politicians, is GOING to FOREVER Ruin America. Instead of being one of the richest countries in the world with future generations living good lives for a few hundred MORE Years, the standard of living in this country is going to PLUMMET in a way that is UNIMAGINABLE to most Americans. Because of the Huge TAXES THAT IS GOING TO be needed to support Americans with Free Government funded Healthcare ` ` ` And as the population of CURRENT citizens (our Baby Boomers), AGE and more and more go into nursing homes, Healthcare will change from taking forever to get appointments to take care of your medical needs, to BEING RATIONED more and more. And the Foreign born Latinos will be taking care of TOO many elderly, NOT speaking our language, and wll be strangers who do NOT care about you and with MORE and MORE of their dollars going to pay for old people in nursing homes, there will be more and more challenges to the system and finally to save on healthcare costs, old people who are not responsive to varying degrees will be euthanized (killed) to save money and not over burden the healthcare system. And in Aproximately 100 years VAST areas of America will look like Calcutta NOW, will millions of Americans living in extreme poverty. ` ` ` There are only 2 ways to prevent this FUTURE: ` ` (1.) Prevent the Politicians from allowing this Mass Migration; ` ` (2.) Prevent The politicians for Naionalizing Healthcare from gaining enough political control for them to push in a National Healthcare which will PUSH this country into SOCIALISM. Capitalism is what BRINGS MONEY into America. Socialism leads to DYING an stagnant economies and POVERTY. ` ` ` Immigration How are unarmed soldiers and drones going to secure our borders? WE are just going to be Better at COUNTING all the illegal aliens who stream across our southern border with the President's Plan. And if any of the soldiers DO have bullets in their guns and ANY bullets are shot at any Mexicans and any Mexican is hit, not even killed, just wounded, That will Be the END of soldiers on our borders! And 300 miles of fence is NOTHING, and don't count on it, it hasn't actually been BUILT yet. Republicans ALREADY can't really pass any type of Border sealing legislation because they are already too scared about losing the Mexican vote in this country and the Dems won't back them in doing anything because they are counting on the Mexican vote. And in a few more years there will be so MANY Illegals in this country that it will be IMPOSSIBLE to close the borders because NO Politician will DO anything to stop the influx. It will be TOO LATE, because the number of illegals will be TOO large a voting block and NO Politician will vote against the people who can put them into office or remove them. ` ` ` I believe WE are going to watch MILLIONS MORE People FLOOD into this country over the next 10 years and the WIDE Open Borders will stay open forever, The party of Natoonal Healthcare will gain power with the "ignorant vote" and socialism will be pushed in and it will ruin this country. ` ` ` And 100 years from now, HUGE areas of America are going to look like the worst areas of India, full of extreme poverty. ` ` ` Unbelievably, The "Greatest Generation" will have been succeeded by the "WORST GENERATION", the Generation that DIDN'T work hard and prepare for retirement, Didn't educate their children and FILLED the country up will illegal aliens, terrorist and outlaw gangs and allowed one party to force in Socialism which ended BOTH American prosperity and the historically American opportunity for the Common Man to rise to greatness through merit alone. ` ` ` -----I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE A CITIZEN TO VOTE??? 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Sorceress New user 34 Posts |
I agree with you Tom. People don't understand what is happening now and what they are throwing away.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2008-10-02 00:09, Sorceress wrote: Talk about CRAP Do these scare tactics work on anyone anymore? There's no perfect taxation system and while I don't think we should soak the rich they ought to be paying more for the privilege of being rich After all they make it off the back of their wage slave workers Viva La Revolution!!! BTW, I'd rather go to a doctor who went to medical school because they wanted to be a doctor and help people rather than becoming a doctor cause they make a lot of money
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Sorceress New user 34 Posts |
This symbol, , is very cute Payne. You've already shown your hand and now no one is listening
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2008-10-02 00:44, Sorceress wrote: Why are Rabid Conservatives always so angry and scared?
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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