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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
I think dressing well has many advantages and will change someone's initial perception of you but I think it's a rather odd assumption that people are so superficial that what you wear will determine whether or not they like you. After all, the ladies that wished their hubbys dressed like Al still liked them enough to marry the scruffy fellows.
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
I will make it short.
Group #1. It is all in the personality, attitude and personality. All three will have to be positive. Group #2. A good performance with skill, humor and concern. I have seen hobo clowns looking dirty like and homeless being successful. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
OK
So you guys are trying to tell me that merely looking good, and being charming is not enough entertainment, and you must also have a trick or two up your sleeve to go with your charm, well I suppose that since you put it that way looks, charm, and talent, talent, talent are the five essential ellements.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I forgot to add a key element for being a success in magic, and it is that you must be hungry, because if I won the lottery I would rapidly become very lazy.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
That is so true. There is nothing like the need to make a living and place food on the table to get you up off your butt and taking action. I also think you have to have a passion for what it is you do. You have to be willing to go out there and seek and grab ahold of the success you want for yourself. No one is going to hand it to you.
Kyle
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Kyle
I think with few exceptions we at this forum all have a passion for magic. The tourists here don't stay long.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
That is very true Al. I think you must first have a passion for it, THEN you have to be willing to take direct action to find the success you want. I think it is a combination of passion and determination through action that makes it work. Most people have the passion, but I think there are less that take enough action as they probably should.
Kyle
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Kyle
I agree 100% but instead of the word determination, I like to call it hunger, because there lots of better magicians, and jugglers than me but they are not hungry enough to make it work.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
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On 2008-10-09 11:11, Al Angello wrote: Nah, I was just saying looking good wasn't a factor of likeability I agreed it was important in the overall scheme of things. Charm is pretty synonymous with likability so we agree there, too. Technical talent is important but can often be trumped by likability and/or charm. George |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
George
You are turning me around here buddie. Likeability is 50% grooming, and 50% charm. If you don't have talent they will feel sory for you, but if you don't have grooming, and charm they will ask for their money back. MHO
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
Gents,
If you don't think dress matters, do a search on Ali Velshi; financial correspondent of CNN. The women on this side of the pond are all a' drool over his bespoke suits and vests. Tod
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Tod
This is off topic, but as a clothes horse I look at Ali Velshi every day for dressing tips, and I don't know how he picks those plad shirts, with striped ties in such a way that it looks good on him. Sometimes I think that he has a fashion guru dressing him. Everybody else on CNN looks very off the rack to me.
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
OFF TOPIC: Ali does what every man who looks sharp does - he uses a tailor.
Anyone can buy an off the rack suit, take it to a tailor and have the arms raised (so part of the shirt sleeve shows), have the bump under the back collar removed, and other small details that make a suit look sharp! Outside tailoring of the suit, the collar of the shirt should also run up directly to the lapels of the jacket, not smaller. The tie should also be a full, symetrical knot with a dimple in the middle. Belt color also matching shoe color, and other sharp points too many to list here. As for how he puts patterns together, as you may know, pattern on pattern used to be a major faux pax. Today it is not, and though there are general rules on how to do it correctly, it's tricky. The best advice overall is to look at men's magazines like Esquire, which will develop the eye over time. There are also men's wardrobe/style books by Alan Flusser and others, purchasable at Borders, that provide excellent advice and pictures. In sum, Ali Velshi is just following the relatively simple rules that any man can.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I think that Ali's taylor tells him what to wear with what, because any man can't do that, or at least I can't.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
Nah, normal men can do it, too. It's easier than one may think.
Either focus on the magazines, have a woman with enhanced taste go with you, buy clothes directly off manequins put together by finer men's stores (Mario's, Barney's, etc), or ask one of the salesmen in the same stores who is dressed sharply to put together a tie and shirt for you that would go with your black/brown/blue/pin-striped suit at home. They'll fix you up! Ali may have some help if he doesn't know himself, but anyone can accomplish the same with the above tips.
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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts |
Awhile back a friend's wife told me a safe bet was to buy what the mannequin was wearing.
I got into trouble though trying to undress the mannequin. |
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
P.S. One thing I forgot to mention above is that it's important to know which colors look best with one's skin tone. All things are not equal in this area. For example, you'll notice that Ali tends to wear brighter, more bold colors. This suits him well because of this complexion. On me though, it would do the opposite. It's not a perfect science, but hold different materials up to your face and see which colors bring it out, and which colors wash it out. Some folks can wear bright clothes, while others must wear muted or pastel.
Another thing about Ali is that his suits tend to be on the European cut (form-fitting) side. But with all of us shaped differently, that is not possible for everyone. The American cut is generally fuller, for obvious reasons - we eat a a lot! Good examples can still be found though on the heavier side, such as Tony Blankey of the Mclaughlin Report, Sunday mornings. He's not as consistent as Ali, but below is one photo of him on the right. Notice his shirt sleeve correctly showing when his arm is down, versus the wrong way with guy on the left: https://www.adoptioncouncil.org/images/pic2.jpg But enough from me, else others starting assuming wrong gender issues here The subject though, I feel, is still germaine to the topic, particularly for more formal performance settings. Hope this helps, Tod
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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
Returning to topic - I am reminded of something my friend Danny Hustle told me. The best way to get an audience to like you is to show them that you like THEM. I try to talk to my young audience as equals, treat them like a group of friends and see the show as one big (albeit rather one-sided) conversation.
I think audiences of any age hate being patronized and this will turn them against a performer. I refuse to dumb down the show to suit a particular age group - I do what I find funny and trust that the audience will come with me for the ride. That's why I don't misname colours, do shouting gags or a lot of the usual 'silly' stuff that kids see at every single show they attend. I want them to feel they are part of something special and different. I don't think that the way I dress is important to my appeal. I'm not saying that it isn't important to others, but I've worked in expensive suits, jeans and t shirt and in the old days I even did the spangly waistcoat thing (shudder) and the audience reception was always pretty much the same.
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
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On 2008-10-06 10:18, jkvand wrote: Everyone here has touched on aspects which contribute to success but Jeff came in on the fundamental. The best advice I received came from Billy McComb who reckoned the truly successful in this business are people who play themselves. A larger than life version maybe, but they are basically being themselves. Audiences warm to that. However, there are two aspects to all this. Most people here are talking about audiences. The audience only gets to see the acts which the booker books. So back to Jeff who said: "people would still rather do business with someone they like!" It goes a bit further than that. You could add "and trust." People want to do business with people they feel comfortable with. They like and prefer certain people, certain acts, because those are business-like acts, people who are reliable, in their dealings, their responses, their paperwork, their conduct before, during and after the performance. Ever wondered why some acts, slightly less 'good' than others, rather more expensive than some, seem to get the jobs in spite of these 'deficiencies'? It's usually because they seen as good business people, who do not cause the booker any headaches. They arrive well on time, cope with adversity, weather, audiences, do the job, hold the audience throughout and leave no mess behind. Get that side of the business right and you then you have a sporting chance of being liked by the booker and then you just might get a shot at being liked by an audience!
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
You're right, Tony - so I think I'd modify George's original statement: the two most important things if you're a performer are likeablility and reliability.
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