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Just curious, what is the design history for the Don Alan chop cup? I have noticed that there are several Don Alan Chop cups. Did he design the cup himself or did he just happen to find the cup somewhere?

I have a beautiful Aluminum Don Alan stubby chop cup from RNT-2 and would like to know the history so I might share with other people.

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That's Don Alan - just thought I'd correct it first..............
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If you go the c&b museum you can read how he came out with the first design (he did not like the height of the cup,so he cut off an inch with a hacksaw). But the cup I belive you are talking about I think is from Ring 'n' Things.
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Sorry about the incorrect spelling, please forgive me.

I remember the Hacksaw story, so basically he was improvising from another cup?

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The history of the design is chronicled in Ron Bauer's booklet "The Complete Don Alan's Chop Cup".

http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com/specia......ndex.htm
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Ron doesn't have all of it, though. He has the first part.

You have to bear in mind that although Don was a genius in many ways, he was eccentric. He started with the original Al Wheatley Master Cup. This is a tall cup. It was too tall to fit into his briefcase the way he wanted it to, so he sawed an inch off of it with a hacksaw.

Then, due to demand from magicians, Al Wheatley made the Master Cup, Jr.

Mike Brazill designed the Rings and Things Don Alan Chop Cup, which was able to take a baseball. However, Don preferred to use a Cressite Dog Ball with these cups.

Also, Ken Brooke knocked off the original Wheatley Master Cup, then came out briefly with a shorter Stubby chop cup.

In the 1980's, Repro 71 in England came out with their version of the Don Alan Chop Cup.

Encore magic made a few of them in the 1980's as well.

In 2005, RnT II came out with the Don Alan Stubby Cup based on the Rings and Things Don Alan Chop Cup design, but shorter.
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The guy that made the first Al Wheatley metal cups has a son... and his son made my Galli Galli and Johnny Paul cups.
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I wonder what design will appear in the future? What is going to become of RNT-2 or will there be another cup making company?

Are Don Alan and Al Wheatley still around?
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Al Wheatley died of a heart attack while working a cruise back in 1964, and was buried at sea.

Don Alan died of complications from Alzheimer's in 1999.

The future of RnT II is uncertain. It may remain in the Zimmerman family, or someone else may purchase it.

But these days, what is certain?
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That's about it!
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Encore Magic was around in the 80's?

I think you ment the 90's there Bill.
The original R-N-T company made a stubby Don Allan cup in the 70's.
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You are right. I mean 1990's. Ken Summers had the chucks, etc. during the 1980's.

I never saw one of the RnT Stubbies from the original RNT. Mike acted like they were a new idea when he was selling them in 2005.
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So some reason, I do not like the bottom (cup opening) of the Don Alan chop cup I have. Not for any real practical reasons, yet simply my personal preference. The Don Alan cups just end abruptly. I may be in the minority, but I actually like the look of James Riser's regular shorty chop over his James Riser's innocent chop without the bead at the opening. All that said, I think that Don pushing for a shorter cup from the Wheatly was beneficial for many of us.
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I just ordered the Don Alan Stubby from RnT II. I think its a great looking chop cup.

http://rnt2.com/product.aspx?productno=660
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That abrupt ending may be the reason that RnT II started using the liner.
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I just went through all the blueprints from RNT there were never any stubbys spun back in the 70's. There was the Mini Pocket Don and LePetite and the Disney cup but no stubby. There were also the Julip cups, but no Don Alan Stubby.

RNT II didn't have any intentions on making the stubby until Ron Bauer agreed to do the book but insisted to Mike and I that the cup be shorter, thus the Anniversary Don being made of Copper with a church bronze lining was born. We did some alum/alum, stainless/bronze and alum/bronze as well, these were pretty rare, the stainless run was only 50 pieces, the alum. ones were even shorter 25 each.

Epiphany has redesigned the Don for 2009, there will be a stubby version with a rolled mouth bead. Different metal combinations will be available such as Copper/Church Bronze etc. This won't impeade on the Anniversary Don since it didn't have a rolled mouth bead. There will also be a standard Don and Mini all with rolled mouth beads.
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I was thinking the stubby was the same as the Mini Don...sorry about that....I always used to refer to it as a stubby little cup when I sold them in the shop.
I can see the difference and know it is not the same.
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Whew!!!! I thought I was going to have to start looking really hard at old magic shops again!
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On 2008-10-07 00:26, Bill Palmer wrote:
Ron doesn't have all of it, though. He has the first part.

You have to bear in mind that although Don was a genius in many ways, he was eccentric. He started with the original Al Wheatley Master Cup. This is a tall cup. It was too tall to fit into his briefcase the way he wanted it to, so he sawed an inch off of it with a hacksaw.

Then, due to demand from magicians, Al Wheatley made the Master Cup, Jr.

Mike Brazill designed the Rings and Things Don Alan Chop Cup, which was able to take a baseball. However, Don preferred to use a Cressite Dog Ball with these cups.

Also, Ken Brooke knocked off the original Wheatley Master Cup, then came out briefly with a shorter Stubby chop cup.

In the 1980's, Repro 71 in England came out with their version of the Don Alan Chop Cup.

Encore magic made a few of them in the 1980's as well.

In 2005, RnT II came out with the Don Alan Stubby Cup based on the Rings and Things Don Alan Chop Cup design, but shorter.


This is the history I am totally not aware of. Thanks, Bill.
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