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I would love meeting the moron in an alley Downtown Detroit.
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I hope this shows does well, as it would mean magic still interests people.

It would make audiences skeptic to what is being revealed and the presentations accompanying it, but come on, who does this stuff anymore?

Even the people who enjoy the exposing of magicians´s secrets will now have a new need to be "in the know" and will start searching for more magicians, and as soon as they meet one and realize it´s a brand new experience, they will fall in love with "not knowing".

I actually enjoy when these shows come out more than when Magic shows are on.
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Earl, I do the same thing to all the Illusions that I buy.... My widshear was so rebuilt by myself that some people thought that it was not even Bill's..'
same with the Interlude of mine the Origami of mine the Audience Dismember etc, very, very rebuilt to the point of not being sure who even built it..

I'm not saying that is a problem. I think if someone ended up with one of these Illusions and performed it, that would even be Ok.... IT's not the builders fault and it's not the magicians fault for the most part if they didn't know that it had belonged to the show.. I just think that it's odd that you can see the same twister and the same egg trick and assistatnt revenge and the dekolta and the Palegquin or what ever that illusion is called on the Auction now....
These are not just illusions that look kinda like the ones on the special, they are the same ones..

My only point is why give this TV company a dime back for what they have done with us magicians..... To me its just saying yeah go ahead and buy a used Illusion off of some sort or internet deal and then go on Tv and exspose it and then turn around and sell it on the Internet and then lets take ya out to lunch and why not even buy you a glass of wine while were at it...

that's my point.
It's not about the illusions or magicians or even the way the props look when they are remodled... IT's about these TV people getting some money back on their investment ..We owe them nothing..

PS" Earl I love your work as a painter and plan to hire you for some projects in the future..

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I have an old VHS somewhere of a FOX special from the early 90's, maybe 80's called the Mystery Magician. Does anyone know who that guy was?
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On 2008-10-11 01:22, TaylorReed wrote:
My only point is why give this TV company a dime back for what they have done with us magicians...

Sorry, Taylor. Apparently I didn't make my point clearly.

I certainly agree that we shouldn't support these people. But by doing something as simple as giving the illusion a new paint job *before* they put it back up for sale, the buyer would probably never know it was the same prop. We could be supporting them without knowing it!

I'm saying that short of a CarFax History Report for illusions, there's currently no reliable way to find out if a particular prop has a checkered past. There ain't no VIN number on a Sub Trunk.

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On 2008-10-11 02:10, magic-taylor wrote:
I have an old VHS somewhere of a FOX special from the early 90's, maybe 80's called the Mystery Magician. Does anyone know who that guy was?


This was Herbert Becker, he also put out a book some years ago doing exposure.
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It looks like all of the stuff was either bought or taken off the Auction...
The only one I saw was the twister is still on...
Not sure whats going on with all of that , but good to see the stuff gone

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On 2008-10-08 01:37, briansmagic wrote:
So, I just watched it on youtube. Whoever is under that mask (not Valentino) is an atrocious performer. I mean really, really bad.


I spoke with someone "on the inside" yesterday. The Masked Moron is, in fact, Valentino. He has put on weight. Like I should point my finger at him!
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There were two dudes under the mask, the one with the black velvet gloves was our buddy Valentino. The other guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

Nice job ...

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On 2008-10-11 23:24, 61magic wrote:
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On 2008-10-11 02:10, magic-taylor wrote:
I have an old VHS somewhere of a FOX special from the early 90's, maybe 80's called the Mystery Magician. Does anyone know who that guy was?


This was Herbert Becker, he also put out a book some years ago doing exposure.


Herbert L Becker didn't used mask when he revealed some illusion on tv.
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I did write magic auction about it:


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I guess & hope you already know it.
I wanted to mention, that you are helping the masked magician financially. You sell the props he used in his actual season. I heared of many fellow magicians, that they can´t understand why they are listed on your site, also if it´s a reseller who bought it from the Masked magician it´s an indirect support.
I quote someone: "The Auction should refuse these props and any involvement with the television show. It is a slap in the face... they should show a little respect towards the magic community and remove them."
That all might be an argument against buying another prop from this site at a later time. It´s not a good publicity to list&sell them.

Also if an unsuspecting magician, who didn´t see the show is buying it and in 2 month he get told - hey I saw your exact prop on TV of the masked magician he will be very disappointed about your site: "nobody told me and why did they list it..."!

I write that, to help you. I was very satisfied about working together with you in the last and cause of that want to help where it is possible.
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and did get the following answer (and was allowed to share it):


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We have removed all illusions (3) that were supposed to have been used on the MM Special.

Since they are claiming to expose 120 illusions - where are the other ones. Who sold them to them. Why are people not finding out where they bought 120 illusions
instead of 3 illusions on magicauction.com.

I have spent more time chasing stories about the MM Special then working the auction the last few weeks.

I received email from livid magicians claiming that a recent Magicauction.com sale of the Gemini cage was going to wind up on MM Special and how could I do this. So I had to write to each of these idiots and explain that the Gemini Cage was to be re-listed because the Buyer Adrian Rusin in Romania could not afford the illusion with the shipping. It was re-listed on the auction. A big waste of time but necessary because they will give us negative press all over the Internet if we don't.

I have had several people tell me they hope their props do not wind up on the MM Special.
I have answered them all the same way. There is no way to know who is buying a prop and where it is going to wind up. If Valentino or Fox contact me they ill be refused Listing or Buying rights. Anyone can buy a prop for someone else - It is easy and fast and impossible to track.

Several illusionists were freaking out over the sale of a Jumbo Dream Vision - worried about exposure on the MMspecial. So again I had to write to these people and tell them the prop was sold to HERVE LISTEUR in France. Enough already - The more they talk about the special the worse it gets.

Michael Keating - asked me to list a Mid Air Safe - and in his email he says the following....
The illusion comes with the rights to perform the Triple exchange but the Buyer must sign a agreement not to let Terry Evenswood or Valentino (The Masked magician) buy or use this prop or let it be exposed on TV in any way. HOW DO I ENFORCE THAT ? - I don't even know who Terry Evenswood is ?

The Midair Safe (SOLD BY MIKE KEATING) sold along with a Snow Animator and some other illusions all to one buyer.
So the questions start coming in .....did the same buyer buy this did the same buyer buy that Well the answer was yes .........So they demanded his name.... Well it was Mariano Donat in Switzerland

Well several magicians told me illusions were on the MM special - So I checked into the people listing the items. There seemed to be some question about who was actually selling the items. I asked for contact information etc. A bit confusing to track but I found Dave Pavlov was selling items for Thomas Riccardo that once belonged to Melinda. And they were selling cheap because the props needed work not because the MM Special was unloading them cheap after the special. The Melina Tribal Cage is on the Auction right now.

Someone told me he saw the Dekolta Chair I was selling on a Youtube clip of MM special. I have tracked that listing and guess what. I contacted a magician who told me he never really was involved in anything he just let someone else use his name.

SNOW ANIMATOR - Several were sure a Snow Animator was being sold by MM Special people. The seller was Peter Gossamer and it was sold in Europe. Where do these rumors start.
The problem is not with the props but the ethics of TV stations and the magicians that sell out for money to the TV people. Last time an MM special aired we were contacted and knew they were from the MM Special because the Masked Magician was in the photos. We refused to list the props. I guess they are a lot smarter this time. If they finish a special and sell the items on Ebay or direct to Magicians does that mean the magician can't resell the item ever again because it was used on MM Special. I ****ed off many magicians last time the specials ran because I refused to list items from the MM Special. The argument was MM Special don't own them anymore they do - and want to list them. I had a tough time with that argument. I am sure I eventually listed them - when submitted with new pictures later in the year. How would I ever know.

Finding out who produced the special and which performers sold out is the most important thing.
The illusion did nothing wrong - You can't blame a gun for murder it is the one who pulls the trigger.

This industry is also involved in Exposure in a big way - and I deal with all the builders and even DC on this subject. When Tilford is retired ..........At least I will not have to answer loads of questions like If Tilford sells rip offs why do Losander and Kevin James sell their products on the Tilford website supporting him? How do you answer that question when they both are big time protectors of their products.

This industry needs the SAM & IBM to get together with the magazines and do something about exposure and knockoff builders. Let everyone know who the bad guys are and educate the community.
Whether an illusion from an exposure show sells or not ... does not address the problem. The illusion will sell anyway on Magic Café - Ebay - or other Websites.

There is only so much one can do to support our industry alone and just like Walter Blaney who got tired and closed WAM after a continuing lack of cooperation from magazines, IBM, Sam and others. The fear is that the few we have left will soon give up the fight if the someone does not pick up the ball.

Well, I could write about this subject for days and never solve anything

Thanks for writing to let us know..................Joe
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Associated Television International who yearly does the "World Magic Awards" is allowing the same network that airs the Masked *** Magician to air "Real" magic. This IS WRONG. We need to write ATI, who Gay Blackstone is a part of by the way (the Magic Castle and The Magic Circle in London as they took ads out in the program & ask them to help or at least never support again), and tell them, they, in good conscious not to air on the same network that exposes magic. It may not do much but perhaps our joint disapproval of such a blatant sell out would cause some fuel for the "Lets do right by magic" fire. Let that &^%$#@ network know they cannot have it both ways. ...UNBELIEVABLE, I'm going to expose magic and make a buck and then the same group of people I’m screwin I'm gonna make another buck..&^%$” And by the way if I happen to "bump into Val in Vegas he will be limping and mumbling his way through life. Trust me on that! DIMMARE

PS I'm sure the organization Feed the Children ( http://www.feedthechildren.org) should also know that they are going to be associated with a network that does more BAD than good! Ohhhh yeah the “IBM” has an ad in the same program that promotes “MYNETWORKTV” which has the Masked *&^^%%$#... how is that for a slap in the &^%$#@ face…OHH PPS David McKenzie,who owns ATI, was a magician and use to do..are you ready …OUCH..a dove act.. Same on you…..
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Well said, James. I agree with you all the way.

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On 2008-10-11 02:10, magic-taylor wrote:
I have an old VHS somewhere of a FOX special from the early 90's, maybe 80's called the Mystery Magician. Does anyone know who that guy was?


That was Hal Marquardt.
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AGREED! They are exposing methods too many effects. However, I don't think there is much to worry about. I mean, many of the tricks they had shown either no one uses them anymore or the methods are crazy... Don't let it get you excited, the magic industry will still excel. I mean, everyone loves magic!

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Thanks, James! And by the way, if you ever see the moron in Vegas, do me a favor, beat him up...Pleaaaaase...
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I can not believe I am about to stay up a little later tonight to jump in here, BUT...

Did you watch the award show!? My thought was every layman has got to be rethinking the methods the masked moron is using. I mean Hans Klok performed 3 effects right from the masked exposure show and flat out blew away the methods.

Meaning although he used the same methods, his presentations and SPEED in which he accomplished them pretty much destroyed laymen's thinking.

This is my opinion. Look, I agree I am disappointed that the exposure show is out there blah, blah, blah, and I agree that we should not have had the award show on the same network, but think about it- watch Hans Klok perform the Dekolta Chair in 1.1 second verses the 14 minutes it took the masked magician.

Again, this is just my opinion, and to be honest I do not care anymore, I have to keep working on my own show, as you do for yours, and do not have time to worry about the masked magician.
You know, what if it was on one of the 3 major networks in prime time? Maybe then it would be a bit more devastating, BUT it's not, and there are 14 bazillion other channels to watch so not nearly as many people are watching this as you think. Heck, more magicians are probably watching it than lay people. Smile

We all agree it's bad, now let's move on!

I am going to bed now, good night!

sam

P.S. I love this Café stuff. It's great to converse with my fellow brothers and sisters who share the same passion I do for magic.
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Just to clarify, since it wasn't spelled out here and I had to do a search to find the reason in another thread, Terry Evanswood should not be confused with having involvement in the Masked Magician series. One could jump to that conclusion by reading the MagicAuction.com e-mail above, but this is a case of common market rivalry between Evanswood and the seller of the prop.
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Was it cancelled? No upcoming shows listed anywhere.
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