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BiGGoGiBBo New user 27 Posts |
I have made a few posts over the past few months all related to how best to sequence mem deck tricks to get the most out a mem deck without having any weak filler tricks that are only there to reset a stack.
Well how does one do this for a a walk around set? Is it best to have multiple packs of mem decks (pocket space!), or is it possible to quickly reset the stack in between performances? |
Eric Richardson Regular user 110 Posts |
If you want to use the mem. deck in these settings then you need several types of routines:
1)Routines that don't use the stack but keep it in order. ex.: a top change routine. 2) Routines that only displace one or two cards. These may or may not use the mem. deck. 3) Tricks that use the mem. deck but reset easily. ex.: Simon Aronson's Invisible card and Two Begginnings. It is also not a bad idea to carry around an extra stacked deck just in case. There is a lot of material along these lines that can be found in: Simon Aronson's Try The Impossible Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica Michael Close's Workers 5 Darwin Ortiz's Scams and Fantasies And on Simon's website simonaronson.com This is not a complete list but it is a good start. Good luck! |
EdgarWilde Regular user 120 Posts |
You could have two decks out at the same time (one stacked, one normal) and switch between them while doing tricks. Just make sure you (false) shuffle enough so people don't become suspicious. As a bonus they will likely "remember" shuffling the deckS themselves (although that will only be partly true).
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
I posted this same question in the table hoppers and party strollers section. There were not tons of responses. I'll tell you what I do. I usually do a multiple selection routine with three cards. These three cards happen to be the 10 of spades, queen of diamonds, and the four of diamonds. For those keeping track 11, 21, and 31 in Aronson's stack. I also have every 10th card lightly pencil dotted on the back to make counting easier. I do the multiple selection routine, revealing the three cards then it's easy to quickly replace them into the stack. With the pencil dots it's also easy to do a four ace routine and quickly replace them. I'm sure this has been done before but I came up with this independently. Good luck!
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
"Well how does one do this for a a walk around set? Is it best to have multiple packs of mem decks (pocket space!), or is it possible to quickly reset the stack in between performances? "
Piet Forton had a belt that had lots of pocket attached to his backside just for memorized decks. This way they didn't take out any pockets and were easy to carry with you. He could use effects that destroyed the deck and if anyone wanted to shuffle, he let them and on the way to next group, he just took another deck from his belt. I don't use memo deck in my walk around anymore. Most effects with it are too long and require more formal atmosphere in my opinion so I save it for more special occassions. I prefer to keep my walk around card material more direct and hard hitting. |
Eric Richardson Regular user 110 Posts |
In walk around settings the mem deck effects you will use most are effects that use the open index principle. These effects usually don't destroy the order of the cards. There are many effects like this. Tricks like Simon Aronson's Two Beginnings, etc. Then for that final table of the evening or that special table, you can use your favorite mem deck effect that destroys the order.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
It is possible to reconstitute your stack in Walkaround once it gets shuffled. A very good way to do this is to perform "A Subtle Game" from the Encyclopaedia of Card Tricks. It's the last effect in the book and it's in the section on the Nikola Card System. But it will work with any mem-deck stack.
Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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magicjustin New user Minnesota 26 Posts |
I use only one stacked mem deck. (Aronson) Here's my walk around routine in a nutshell.
False Shuffle Simon Aronson's Two Beggining's Trick that can't be explained (that's the name of it) Triumph (with Zarrow shuffle to retain stack) 2 back to back poker demos, each building and "Teaching how to properly cheat" Card at any Number. Marlo's Miracle with Cards (if I perform this last one, then it destroys the stack, I rarely do this in strolling settings) At the end of my routine, the deck is still in full stack order. Both Simon Aronson (on his L&L mem deck DVD) and Juan Tamariz in Mnemonica have great methods for switching a deck in play. But I prefer to start with Mem deck instead of switching. (My routines long enough without doing anything else) |
EdgarWilde Regular user 120 Posts |
@Dennis Loomis: My worries on "A Subtle Game" are set forth here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205 |
BiGGoGiBBo New user 27 Posts |
Dennis has some good points there, I was very much thinking perform a set to one group then move on and perform the same set to another group, but in reality there is no need to do this. Just perform a set to one group then perform a completely different set to a different group, try and recover the deck ready for another group or whenever you would like to.
Thanks for that. |
TerrorInt Regular user 144 Posts |
I do my routines in a particular order, starting with ones that don't mess up the order, but not necessarily using mem either. Then the mem stuff that doesn't mess up the order. Then some mem effect that does. Then an effect where the order doesn't matter. 20 minutes right there. Then exchange the deck and continue.
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
One nice solution is trying to combine the best of two worlds. Tamariz has lots of tricks with only half of the mem deck. That gives you the liberty of doing more easy/convincing false shuffles, the spectators can shuffle half the deck. you can ask the spectator to do a riffle shuffle and then you separate the cards (can also be done with the complete stack). The good thing is that you can do, with the other half, tricks that don't require the mem deck, and with a little thought, really mix half the deck while keeping the other part intact.
Lots of mem deck effects are possible with only half a mem deck. And if eventually you need the complete mem deck for a grand finale, you can always reset half the deck quicker while you do another trick. Not the perfect solution, but a good idea. |
serge storms Veteran user Las Vegas 380 Posts |
I usually use a stacked (not memorized) deck for All of my walk-around as well as restaurant and bar performances. Yes I do keep a couple of extra decks on hand ready to go if needed.
Using the usual false shuffles and cuts I'm able to do everything I want or need with it and also have the luxury of actually "messing up" the stack if I want to or need to go into a non-memorized deck routine or effect. As performers, that situation can and will happen at some point, the beauty is to be able to roll with it and go into something else immediately without a problem. That said; some of my favorites that I go with for the stacked deck walk-around situations are: 1- any of your favorite reveals once the card is selected (branded, card sharpie, tattoo, wiregram, invisible deck to name a few. 2- my version of "lie detector" 3- Vegas Card Cheat Card counting demonstration 4- Royal straight flush poker hand dealt to whoever you want to win and in the suit they name 5- Out of Body by Larry Becker 7- my version of the "date book or diary" prediction 8- Eddie Fields version of behind the back or under the table 9- card at called number or number of card location in deck for any named card Many of these are either published or were marketed effects, some are my own versions on similar principles that I've adjusted and honed to suit my style. If I do a "run" of effects using my stack, then feel like going into an effect that will kill the stack or any effect that the stack is not needed for; I simply end my stack effects with the poker deal trick as that is the one effect I do with it that DOES kill the stack. At first years ago, I felt guilty on occasion using a stack until I read a line by a famous magician who I cannot recall right now; in one of his books. (and if it sounds familiar and you know who it was please PM me!!) He said " I've enjoyed many hours of entertaining people with my simple and humble stacked deck; while I've watched others work so hard at perfecting a particular move or sleight but not have the same fun or affect on their audience as I have with my humble simple stacked deck" I'm paraphrasing that as I don't recall the exact wording but it was along those lines. That's my long-winded two cents. |
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