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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
I noticed last week, that on "My TV Network" the channel in my area is having this guy every week now. Now do I watch it? Yes I hate to say I do. I know very little about stage illusions and am at a loss to how most are done. I know about base work, and mirrors but that's about it. I hate to admit it but I did like learning how things appear in a open parking lot (The Elephant). I actually heard of that principle years ago, when a fellow Magician was guessing on how the Space Shuttle Appeared. Am I ashamed? Yes again, but he's starting to step on my toes. He revealed Glorpy, and tonight the Dove Pan. Yes I know about the Street Magic Special Years ago, but I'm getting ******.
I might get in trouble for saying this, but I seriously think this guy needs a "Blanket Beat Down". I heard he was being sued 70 million years ago. What ever happened with that? I normally don't condone violence, but he needs to get the message that this is wrong. We as Magicians have tried the "Legal Route", and it didn't work. So tell me fellow Magicians seriously what is our logical next step? I'm being dead serious!!! I mean he exposed the friggin Milk Can escape. How is he not getting repercussions? Let's brainstorm, any ideas to stop this. (Eddini). P.S. You might be asking would Ed really physically take part in beating this guy down if he ever saw him? Yes I would!!!
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You may start with these few suggestions.
First it is America, freedom of speech, look it up. Second, you support the guy! You watch, because you want to know, yet you want to do physical harm to the man for informing other people? Are you serious? Want to brainstorm? Ok here is the first idea. You stop watching. Try that for a while and see how it works. Then we can move to step 2 after you have been in step one for about a year. It is ok with you till he steps on your toes? Man Ed, really slow down a bit. Check your own behavior, then try to monitor others.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Not many watch MM... its on obscure channels... and against heavy programming such as Heros and PrisionBreak... and other shows.
The real threat isn't MM... its YouTube.
Mark Reed
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
The real threat is yourself.
Magic performed well, for people that want to see it will outshine anyone in a mask. I would tend to agree with Danny here though. You can hardly say you watch and learn from him, then say you want to kick his butt for showing it to you. Personal responsibility>blame
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Bill Thompson Elite user Mississippi 422 Posts |
You notice how much weight Valentino has packed on... Seriously, I thought he was going to get stuck in that milk can until I figured out it wasn't as small as the one Houdini used...
"To let understanding stop at what cannot be understood is a high attainment.
Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven." - Chuang Tse |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Eddini,
I don't want this to sound unsympathetic. If it comes across that way, I apologize. A magician, doing a trick, should be able to offer the proofs necessary for the spectator to conclude that no non-magical method was possible. Not just anything that might have been exposed, but even those methods that you actually use. Those proofs can be subtle or they can be overt, but in any case, we cannot rely on mere secrecy of method to get away with what we do. A study of Juan Tamariz, the School for Scoundrels, Al Schneider, Tommy Wonder, etc. will show you just how we can empower ourselves to defeat this sort of exposure. Don't run away from the prospect of being called out. Instead, embrace it, and figure out a way to trump it preemptively. If the need is to fool people, take comfort in the fact that fooling people is pretty easy. Take the dove pan. Forget the traditional method for a second. What power do you want to show? That you can make things appear suddenly inside a closed space? Plenty of methods for that, including methods and sequences that have yet to be discovered.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Ed, chill,out. Beating a guy up that is on a TV show? There's guys harming children out there. Go beat them up if you want to vent your rage ( be prepared to go to jail beacuse the system doesn't condone viglantees ).
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
Danny I look at exposure differently I guess. To me exposure to the Lay Community is bad. I think being a magician, we have the right and are entitled to know how stuff is done. Too bad, and I was going to write this the first time around, and is a bit far fetched, that with cable signals, or whatever, they only make it available to a home with magicians in it. All lay people's homes wouldn't get the signal. Now how they would figure out who were magicians, and the testing, to prove they were would be the illogical part. Better yet, very simply, make the videos and only sell them in Magic Shops.
I'm very against exposure to lay people. To me it's like two Doctor's, they are colleagues. One doctor is having trouble with a diagnoses, or procedure, so he gets help from another one. Danny I knew that would be brought up. They are tricks / illusions generally known by the majority of the magic community. So if another is a bona fide magician, it should be like if you were in School "Required Reading". Don't get me wrong what he is doing is very wrong exposing to lay people. That's what I was talking about. I also knew this would be brought up, which I don't agree with. A while back I put in a post that because the linking rings were exposed on TV, I would never do them. Someone then said it's about entertainment. While yes true, it's also about fooling the people, well at least my magic is. I do close-up, and my style is a lot like David Blaine's. I don't do fancy patters though I do do patter, but I love it when they run down the side-walk swearing like you see in his special. Freak Them out with no B.S. in other words. I've gotten though more into mentalism and hypnosis, which BTW Danny I've really improved and doing great. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Your right Ed, they should not even sell magic books, they should give them away because everyone is entitled to the information.
Do you read what you write? Who decides who is a bona fide magician? What if you don't qualify, what if I don't qualify? Really Ed think about it a bit more.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
Danny yes I read what I wrote. No, they shouldn't give them away they should sell the videos like I said at a Magic Shop. I wasn't just talking about me but all magicians should be able to know how magic is done.
You're right, how do you determine who is a magician? That same argument can be used though for the guy that comes into a magic shop, and buys a Raven. There should be regulations of some sort. How, I don't know. Like for certain magician sites on the web, they'll ask what Dai Vernon's real name was,...etc. All I was saying is exposure to lay people is very wrong, to other magicians, it's a colleague sharing with another colleague. That's just my opinion. I mean we all share secrets with each other for the most part.
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 10:34, Eddini_81976 wrote: And the difference between a lay person and a magician? Fifty posts on the Café? How about this ... no one is entitled to know anything. Just because you have a business card does not entitle you to anything. In fact, this issue of believing that you are entitled to everything simply because you call yourself a magician is probably the cause of most of our problems. After all, I am sure the consultant on this series considers himself a magician. And because he in entitled to whatever secrets he wants, he can do whatever he wants. He can make youtube tutorials. He can discuss their secrets on the Café where any person can read them. Or he can consult on a TV show and make some money with the information he was entitled to. Entitled. I love magic. Brad Henderson |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I am with Brad. (big shock there) You are entitled to nothing, not one thing. You have to earn things, you are not entitled. Man can you be serious Ed? Entitled?
What have you done to "entitle" you to this vast storehouse of knowledge? What exactly makes you think you are entitled and another is not? Tell you what, invent a concept, trick, idea, presentation, and you are entitled to say who can and can not know what is being done and how. Till then, you are entitled to nothing.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
I've thought about this. He should stop exposing to laymen. He should get permission from the people who came up with the tricks, (The Ethical Way), then make the videos and sell them, at magic shops. As far as exposing to laymen, my position still stands, but you're right as far as being entitled to free secrets just because I'm a magician, I agree with. So I'm agreeing with you mostly Danny. My anger still rages on though as far as his exposure to laymen and rightly so. End of story, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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thelestat New user Vegas 48 Posts |
Associated Television International who yearly does the "World Magic Awards" is allowing the same network that airs the Masked *** Magician to air "Real" magic. This IS wrong. We need to write ATI, who Gay Blackstone is a part of by the way (the Magic Castle and The Magic Circle in London as they took ads out in the program and ask them to help or at least never support again), and tell them, they, in good conscious not to air on the same network that exposes magic. It may not do much but perhaps our joint disapproval of such a blatant sell out would cause some fuel for the "Lets do right by magic" fire. Let that &^%$#@ network know they cannot have it both ways. ...unbelievable, I'm going to expose magic and make a buck and then the same group of people I’m screwin', I'm gonna make another buck..&^%$” And by the way if I happen to "bump into Val in Vegas he will be limping and mumbling his way through life. Trust me on that! DIMMARE
P.S. I'm sure the organization Feed the Children (http://www.feedthechildren.org) should also know that they are going to be associated with a network that does more bad than good! Ohhhh yeah, the “IBM” has an ad in the same program that promotes “MyNetworkTV” which has the Masked *&^^%%$#... how is that for a slap in the &^%$#@ face…Ohh P.P.S. David McKenzie, who owns ATI, was a magician, and used to do...are you ready …ouch...a dove act... Same on you…... |
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts |
This is the most ridiculous thread ever. Thanks for the read.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2008-10-15 00:26, thelestat wrote: Yeah cause we all know that exposing magic secrets is far worse than feeding starving children.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
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On 2008-10-15 00:26, thelestat wrote: Wow! Same post again!!! Keep going man! You are going to get those 50 posts real soon, then you will be "Entitled" to see the secret sessions! |
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sickmagic Special user 528 Posts |
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On 2008-10-15 21:20, Loual4 wrote: LOL. That is funny, Like James Dimmare cares about the secret section, from his posts here on the Café it seems he cares more about protecting our art form. To be honest it is really nice to see a top notch pro voice his feelings about something here that seems to matter. sickmagic |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Is it nice to see him be sarcastic to people when he breaks the rules and makes the exact same post?
Is it cool for a top pro, to not know how to follow the rules and lash out at people when he does not obey them? Yea great to have him about.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
What the hell is wrong with Doves?
But I agree, children can starve as long as no one knows about my thumb tip.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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