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Davit Sicseek
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Only it's not $78 + shipping.

As a UK seller, you get stung badly for currency transactions.

Todays pay pal conversion fee for example leaves you with about £52 from $95 (excluding standard Paypal fees) which by todays 'real' exchange rate leaves you with about $12 difference.

Of course the shipping will be higher when sending things abroad, but probably not $12 higher - still, I don't find the $12 extra morally outrageous. When I was sending things abroad regularly I always used to charge non-UK customers more. International transactions/deliveries have a higher rate of fraud/package loss/breakages than domestic ones. Plus, I hate foreigners, so am happy to charge them more.
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On 2008-10-14 22:01, Davit Sicseek wrote:
Only it's not $78 + shipping.

As a UK seller, you get stung badly for currency transactions.

Todays pay pal conversion fee for example leaves you with about £52 from $95 (excluding standard Paypal fees) which by todays 'real' exchange rate leaves you with about $12 difference.

Of course the shipping will be higher when sending things abroad, but probably not $12 higher - still, I don't find the $12 extra morally outrageous. When I was sending things abroad regularly I always used to charge non-UK customers more. International transactions/deliveries have a higher rate of fraud/package loss/breakages than domestic ones. Plus, I hate foreigners, so am happy to charge them more.

The charge for international buyers is not the issue. I expect to pay more when buying international.
The amount is not the issue either. If it's not postage what is it? That's what I wanted to know.

I thought it was odd that there is a charge (9 pounds or $17.00) that was "not a postage charge".

BTW no matter which way you cut it, the conversion is the same both ways.

9 pounds is roughly $17.00 and $17.00 U.S. converts to roughly 9 pounds British.

This query in no way reflects on the product, or has anything to do with the product.

I honestly had not seen a charge like this before and thought it must be the shipping charge.

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OK guys. I don't think Roth was picking a fight. I am a big Outlaw fan, however I agree with Rick, Alchemical Tools is great.I think Rick was just pointing out a price discrepancy that might have been overlooked by Paul. If it is free shipping why the extra money? Rick is a stand up guy and buisnessman, and ment no malice. Either way, as Paul stated eveyone has a choice over buying it. Peace Ryan
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Still waiting for mine so I can't say much about the product at the moment.

As for the price it's not written anywhere that the prices must match. PB seems like a nice guy to me and has always been ready to help me with my questions and queries, I am sure that there is a reason for the difference.

But like a few guys above have said, "that's the price and them's the apples", any item is either worth the asking price for you or not. You don't eat at a McDonalds (well hopefully not) in one country, only to moan about people in other McDonalds around the world paying less for the same items.

Will jot down my thoughts on locked in thought when I get it (hopefully when I get home from work).

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I think we're all big enough to realise that there is no such thing as free shipping. Shipping is included in the price for any physical product described as "free shipping".

It's just marketing spin. It's used everywhere, and it's common for different regions to be charged different prices to take account of the 'free shipping'.
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Roth brings up a point that any international purchaser of Paul's products (which, of the ones I have, are excelent) knows.

I assumed Dr. J's rationale was clear to anybody. There is something known as "price discrimination" that is widespread, legal, and even encouraged. Sometimes you get coupons mailed to your home that other people don't. Sometimes the fast food restaurants, gas, or produce is differently priced in one region from another. It's just how it is. While I think Davit's idea about shipping is too simplistic (often, the prices are not reflected in the product itself, but other products from the same vendor, for just one example), it is a pretty good approximation of the real world.

I'd say more but one of the mods flat out told me that a well-reasoned argument sounds like bullying, so I'll stop.

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BTW no matter which way you cut it, the conversion is the same both ways.

9 pounds is roughly $17.00 and $17.00 U.S. converts to roughly 9 pounds British.


I'm not a fool. You are missing my point that there is a Paypal surcharge on currency conversions IN ADDITION to the regular Paypal fees for receiving funds. I seem to recall this being a 2.5% spread, but I tested my figures quoted above by (yesterday) attempting to withdraw $95 from my Paypal account balance in US$ to my UK current account in pounds sterling. It's still not $78 + shipping.

The marketing says $95 + free postage. The cleverer kids in the class will realise that that much like the proverbial 'lunch' there is no such thing as a free postage. The $95 includes the cost of postage. Although not mentioned, Paul also doesn't charge extra for electricity used to write and deliver the ebook. The $95 includes this.
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Comment by me - totally unsolicited:

The Pound has always been stronger than the $. Now that the USA is slipping into the position of a banana republic currencywise -- the daily trade rate has made it difficult to track the actual price of magic -- and the international shipping rates have gone bananas even further than sales items.

The contract with paypal is that you may not charge extra for their fees -- so the 2.5 per cent conversion is not a valid factor and the idea of "free shipping" is a slope filled with banana peels (slippery at best.)

Maybe the best solution here would b for the seller to use KAGI with real date conversion and charge on all non-UK shipments at cost of shipping, conversion, etc.as an add on -- for S&H.
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I was going to say...perhaps a price tagline of "inclusive of postage and packing" rather than "free postage and packing" would cover it... but maybe we're there anyway.

To return to the product, however...good reviews, sounds interesting!
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Thanks Ray!

I've just sold out of my chair test 'Deceit'.

Currently writing my next book 'Bookless Test' which will have a few things I lectured on in London last year plus a whole lot more! I will keep you up to date my friend!

Until then, I highly recommend Paul's stuff. The Gift, Alchemical Tools (Mainly Killer Hertz) and the new Locked in Thought are genuinely some of the most impressive things I've learnt! There are few people I will learn techniques from then go out and apply their thinking to my own work. Paul is definitely one of those guys. He's very switched on and I like his unique writing approach to the books!

Must dash... the girlfriend is calling...

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<<There are few people I will learn techniques from then go out and apply their thinking to my own work.>>

Yeah, he just criticises mine! Smile

<<Must dash... the girlfriend is calling... >>

Nuthin' new there, then! I dunno what he's got - but he's got SOMETHING! Smile
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On 2008-10-15 16:08, muse wrote:
I was going to say...perhaps a price tagline of "inclusive of postage and packing" rather than "free postage and packing" would cover it... but maybe we're there anyway.

To return to the product, however...good reviews, sounds interesting!


Yeah, it sounds really interesting.

I can't justify buying it because of several reasons, none of which I want to get into right now, but this looks like something really clever.

As an aside since I figure it is just a matter of time before it comes up, Patrick Redford's Glemme has a lock effect in it that, on some levels is similiar. I had a personal viewpoint that it would only work in a stage environment where you could give the lock away at the end (i.e., it was too "gimmicky" to do close up).

I love being wrong. The lock effect rocks close-up although, for the life of me, I can't understand why they don't think it is a gimmicked lock (it isn't, by the way, in the Glemme effect).

Based on that experience, I would imagine Brook's effect would rock the house as well.

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Hey Lem,

Clear your PM box out!!!
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Just for you, my dear Dr, it has been done.
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Maybe the best solution here would b for the seller to use KAGI with real date conversion and charge on all non-UK shipments at cost of shipping, conversion, etc.as an add on -- for S&H.


Or you could just pick a price and people can like it or lump it.
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Exactly - its an effect you're going to be using over and over again in my opinion..

briliant methodology too...

I used this tonight during a gig - perfect reaction and lead in to my finishing effect...plus, if you've read up on some Banachek work, you can use Paul's effect for other things too..though the techniques are completely unrelated...but work very well together.
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On 2008-10-15 18:58, Davit Sicseek wrote:
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Maybe the best solution here would b for the seller to use KAGI with real date conversion and charge on all non-UK shipments at cost of shipping, conversion, etc.as an add on -- for S&H.


Or you could just pick a price and people can like it or lump it.

Exactly +1. Like all that wouldn't be a whole load of extra work...and relax, at least you guys (Americans) get gas for less than $2 per LITRE.

I just got my lock and pdf, and although I had to experiment to find the best action set, I did find it easily and I am amazed at how cool this is. I am very happy and will be using this EVERYWHERE!!!! Thanks for releasing this Paul, I can see how much work went into this and I appreciate it.
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I've been playing around with this for the past few days and have performed it at least 11 times with various people. So here goes:

At first I decided that I would not look at the instructions and attempt to figure out how to open the lock. After about 20 minutes of frustration I gave up and can attest that this is indeed audience proof!

Upon reading the instructions it took me around 10 minutes to figure out how to correctly work the mechanism. Now that I have worked it out the lock is opened within seconds.

The lock itself looks completely normal and is the perfect size for carrying around on the rest of your keys. PB's suggestion that it would apparently be your gym locker lock rang serious bells with me as I have a lock similar in size for the gym already on my keys. Needless to say PB's lock has now replaced my gym locker lock.

Performance wise this has been hitting some strong reactions. At first when I read the ad blurb I was, like Drew, dubious about a padlock effect. As usual it is the presentation that PB brings to the effect that just takes it to another level. There is one part in the scripting that allows you to covertly mention the reason for the lock without being suspect in any way, which is just genius in action.

Also, just like Drew, the spectators did not stop talking about the effect. I was shocked to hear some of them talking about PIN numbers and house locks, etc. This effect at its peek not only creates a powerful moment, it also apparently demonstrates that the objects of security are not as secure as we believe them to be.

I found myself having to explain that locks and PIN numbers are still quite safe. Perhaps a line of, "Yes, it is possible to open such secure items, but you need a willing participant in order to obtain these codes!" may be of some use to you?

To summarise: I am REALLY happy with this product, it will always be on my keys ready to go. I can see this becoming an essential new prop for mentalists, and it really opens up the notion of pocket mentalism in my mind.

Great Stuff, I give it my really rare 10/10!
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Paul's Locked in Thought had passed me by in the run up to its release, and when I saw it on here alarm bells started ringing a little bit: the description of the effect is VERY close to my effect LockDown, which uses a WordLock instead of a number lock. A little part of me worried that there may be some toe-treading going on, but when I actually got Paul's effect I was really amused by how utterly different both the methodology and Paul's handling are: Similar end destinations but completely different routes there.

LIT uses a small 3 digit code lock, and relies on a principle drawn in from a completely different discipline of magic to turn a simple lock into a very straightforward (and adaptable) piece of mentalism. Paul is carving out a niche as a pocket mentalism guy, filling our jackets with close-up mentalism effects to pull out at the drop of a hat. There have been some criticisms here on the Café about how psychologically invisible other pocket mentalism props are: trust me, LIT passes this test with flying colours. Specs can examine the lock all day long and they will find nothing out of the ordinary. And the effect looks in no way different to how it would appear if it were genuine.

So, my original fears about Paul's Locked in Thought crashing into my LockDown were unfounded. The differences in the effects and the gulf in methodologies mean they are more like a good match than a clash, and to be honest, the numerical simplicity of LIT means that it may be more accessible to many than the five letter word code of LockDown. Which is a shame, because it makes pimping LockDown all the harder! Curse you Paul!

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QQ, how big is the lock? Could you perform this effect on stage?
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