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allen_m
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OK, let's say that a guy, kinda handy with tools, and frequently in need of fabricating odd bits for the old motorcycles he restores, was also a coin magic enthusiast and looking for a secondary excuse to buy a few new bits for his shop...

How does one learn the craft of making gaffs?? I doubt Todd Lassen or Jamie Schoolcraft would just invite a fella over for a few beers and his trade secrets...

Beyond the obvious practice makes perfect I think the hardest bit would be the technique for enlarging coins to make enlarged ['s... I have thoughts on the matter; but no real world evidence to support them... My goal is not a second career- I've seen too many flames thrown about in reference to ANY competent gaffer; but, I digress... Is this a matter of 'we'd tell you; but, we'd have to kill you' or, is there hope???

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-Allen M. in Tucson. And maybe soon in Bisbee, too!
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Seeing the time it takes to both of them for doing their craft and their work load, I don't think they would mind a little help for someone who really wants to put his hands into the real work rather than just stealing their manufacturing secrets. Call them...
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On 2008-10-15 12:55, Lawrence O wrote:
...Call them...


I actually have an order pending w- Todd, and will be speaking with him again as soon as he finishes his re-location to Colorado and posts his new phone number. A simple phone call probably is the best start; but, I well understand their close guarding of 'trade secrets'...

Nothing ventured...

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I actually make almost all of my coin gaffs by hand. I have made almost ever kind of gaff you can imagine (Thats about 12 different kinds to me, idk if there are more out there) You can email me and I can help you out.
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Thank you VERY much.

Email being composed!

-A
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Hello Mark,
Is it possible to send any pics our way?
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Yes, I second that. I would like to see the success rate of home made gaff coins.
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Todd is moving to my state? Sweet!!!
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I don't have a camera but if I can somehow get some pics, I will be glad to send them your way. Maybe in a youtube video slideshow. I had a karate coin and a David Roth eraser coin but they fell into the couch at one of my gigs lol.
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Anyone here tried making their own Ramsey stack out of Canadian Toonies? I'm thinking of banging out the inner section. Should be straight forward. Right? Smile
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I have always wondered if the center part could be taken out. It will probably be much easier than drilling the coins.
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So none of you handy with machine tools kind of guys knows the basics of enlarging a coin??? If I were to make a wild guess, pressing a coin into a die milled to the diameter you ultimately want your ] would work; but, I wonder how you minimize distortion and protect the face of the coin....???
Just thinkin' out loud. Kinda wish my Lassen order was ready!
:spinningcoin:
-A
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Nope. Not even close. There is a lot of preliminary work before you get to that stage. There is material about this in the Secret Sessions, which is where it belongs.
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Hey Allen, why don't YOU figure out how to do it? In this world, everything is so possible,.. and so very, very few are capable. So very few are willing to try. Pitiful.
out there trying,
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Expanding a coin is easy. Expanding a coin without distorting the face is easy. Expanding a coin without distorting the face and without losing thickness is easy. Expanding a coin without distorting the face, without losing thickness and, instead, making it thicker than a stock coin is easy.

All you need it the correct machinery and knowledge of the necessary techniques. I learned through trial and error and lots of $$$ in ruined coins. I also have lots of expensive and precise machinery. And, like the other guys who really do know how, I'm not talking.

I will, however, say this much - if you want to learn how for just a few coins for yourself you will be a wasting a lot of time and a lot of money. If you want to learn how in order to start a new career, plan on a few years of heartache and a lot of expense before you make any money (at all)... and keep your day job.

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Not planning a career; just looking for another excuse to buy a mill and a lathe...

Back to my day job...
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I have a cousin who is extremely talented with metal working and he has a very nice machine shop. He's been interested in making some gaffs, but was a little concerned about the price I pay for my coin (ungaffed).

What I was wondering is this: when a coin is absolutely ruined, can the silver be salvaged and sold? If so, then the risk is minimal....except for expensive bits and such I would suppose.
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On 2008-10-30 17:27, allen_m wrote:
Not planning a career; just looking for another excuse to buy a mill and a lathe...

Back to my day job...
I have racked my brain trying to do coin gaff work but after waisting lots of $ I could have just bought the gaff and be done with it. Unless you are 100% sure of wanting to learn about gaff coins and doing it yourself then just buy the gaff and enjoy it.
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You can sell salvaged coin silver, but most buyers are going to pay you below spot because spot is what they get paid, so you will lose money from what you paid. Most bullion type coins are sold at a spot plus price.
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I figure around $3,000 is the minimum in machine shop gear to even attempt this; and, that probably isn't enough... But, think of all the other cool stuff a guy could make...

-A
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