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Arkadia
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Hello!

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this question - but here goes anyway.

I saw a guy tie a necktie with one hand. If you know the method, please tell me where to get it. That would fit right into my set.

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/Ark
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How have you been? Are you still busking?
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My long gone friend Roy Fromer used to do it, he used to tell me the manuscript he found it in..but he goes way back to archives from the 20's.
A search shows this:
http://www.strokenetwork.org/newsletter/......view.htm

Daryl in "Learning the ropes" dvd lists the knot.
http://www.magicstor.com/files/dvd/html/......gic.html

Finally a tiny sized video of the actual effect:
http://funandmagic.com/mmmedia/tie.MPG

From the guys instruction that he sells. It is a one-handed Windsor Knot.
http://funandmagic.com/mmmedia/tie.MPG
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You definitely are a source of great information. I have Daryl's three DVD set, but I have never looked at the last half of "Learning the ropes". You can rest assured that I will look at it several times this weekend. That one handed tie knot is right up my alley.
THANX
Al

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I highly recommend that you get the Dennis Loomis "knot routine plus" DVD it is one of my absolute favorites.
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Wait, this is a trick? Or just something like a bar bet?
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It all depends on your presentation. To me it would be part of a routine.
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Now, here's the rub. Roy Fromer tied the necktie and he did a move where he was wearing it. In other words, kind of like the knot thru neck, he had the tie, went around his neck from the front and the tie was in the Windsor knot and ready to slide it up to the collar.
Hindsite does not remember if he did the one-handed move and went over his head or not.
Roy wrote some Arcane booklets for D. Robbins in the 60's. One on Spook shows, one on 10 tricks with magicians rope, and another on floating ball magic.
When I wanted something researched onmagic (before Internet), I went to Roy. He was a collector of paper manuscripts on the most obscure magic.
Roy, grew up in Brooklyn and his boyhood crowd was George Schindler, Paul Fried (from D.Robbins), and Art Kahn from Zanadu magic. Leo Horowitz was his mentor.

On another note, if you like tie tricks, I have an item called Blendo Tie, 4 stars in Genii magazine. Two versions: two silks are tied and instantly become a tie which can then be worn. The newest version is Patriotic Tie blendo, a red white and blue 12" diagonal silks are show and instantly change into a Tie with a flag imprint on it.

Blendo tie demo from 1983
http://magicians.podbean.com/blendo-tie/

Patriotic
http://magicians.podbean.com/patriotic-blendo-tie/
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This is not a one-handed necktie, but Eleazar Goodenough includes a routine in his Tear-Able Magic book called a "Necktie Paper Tear," but it also contains bonus effects like this one:

Effect: Having pulled my necktie through my neck, I offer to teach someone else who is wearing a necktie how to do some necktie magic. I spot a young man wearing a tie and ask him to take a magic lesson. First, he removes his necktie. I hand him my necktie and a pair of sharp scissors, and I take his necktie and another pair of sharp scissors. I show him how to pull the center of the necktie up through his fist and then cut the necktie exactly in the middle. Then I cut away some more of the necktie, and he does the same with my necktie. Suddenly I whip his necktie out of my fist and it is restored. However, my tie is in two pieces, not counting all the little bits of cut necktie scattered on the floor.
I hand him back his restored necktie and sadly take all my necktie pieces and put them in a paper bag. “Maybe I can take them back to the store and get my money back. I’d better make it look as if the necktie was really poorly made in the first place!” So I cut the necktie up some more and drop all the pieces in the bag.
“Oh, wait a minute. That necktie store went out of business. I guess I’m out of luck!”
I blow up the paper bag and pop it, and just as the bag bursts, the necktie, fully restored, appears ties around my neck.

Thought you might be interested; It's on my site.
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Speaking for the one handed crowd. I've been tying knots one handed since I was about five, shoelaces, neckties, squareknots what have you. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. I could have been selling my experience as a disabled individual for profit all this time! Go figure. Smile

Seriously, I would think twice before performing this before an elderly audience. It doesn't bother me, but someone who struggles with this daily might be highly offended, and think you're making fun of them. I know it's not with that intention, but self-tying shoelaces and ties could actually backfire on you with an older audience. Just my two cents of friendly advice.

Dave
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It's not that we are doing a one-handed knot for its own sake, or announcing so. It just happens to be that we can do a knot and we do not have to use a second hand. The use of the second hand is superfluous.
I teach the use of an appearing cane which does not require using two hands so I could understand that if I am bragging that the one-handed routine is better. Its just that the one handed cane appearance is more efficient and doesn't telegraph the appearance.
The one handed knot I do shows a matter of dexterity that perhaps you may do out of necessity but it is no less a feat and is applauded.
Is applause offensive to the one-handed? I don't believe so and the elderly surely come to realize their limitations due to age.
I sell match pulls which only require the one hand which was a boon to ventriloquists. Schindler (a ventriloquist) also did a lot of one-handed magic.
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Magicians,

Please don't put words in my mouth. If you do a little research regarding my posts, you'd know that I applaud those who perform one-handed. My point was that however unlikely, a person that suffers from dementia might misunderstand the magician's intentions and feel that they are being made fun of. Where did I say magicians and ventriloquists should not perform one-handed? I simply wanted to point out that the misunderstanding was a possibility and considering your audience's viewpoint was important.

I'll give you an example of my own experience with disabled people. I have had other disabled people accuse me of faking disability simply because they perceived my use of crutches as unnecessary. I can walk short distances without my crutches, and I usually do so indoors. While visiting a nursing home, some residents noticed my walking without the crutches, and then using them to leave and return. One individual accused me of making fun of them. This person was obviously not able to understand the difference between making fun and the fact that I use the crutches only outside. This misunderstanding was unavoidable, but when it comes to magic effects we can be sensitive to those for whom we perform by being aware of effects that might be perceived as mockery. To put it in a different context; performing a stigmata effect for a church group would obviously be offensive. I only meant to point out a situation where the act of dressing quickly might be perceived as intentionally offensive.

Regarding applause being offensive to the one-handed, I doubt it, but it would be polite to applaud as a one-handed person would in a room full of one-handed people. Another example would be applauding for a deaf magician by putting your hands in the air and shaking them. It's not necessary but I know the deaf magician would appreciate the gesture.

Enough said.
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On 2008-11-06 18:03, Hearttau wrote:

Seriously, I would think twice before performing this before an elderly audience.

Dave

I read the post fast and thought this comment was the arguement. I couldn't figure out why the elderly would be offended. The rest was just my normal spouting egomaniacal minutia I throw out there from time to time.
I should really just delete most of my posts after I write them.
No offense if I distressed.
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On a close note to this conversation about faking and disability and big mouths, I saw a blind magician do a really bad act in Tampa and voiced my opinion about his facing the wall instead of the audience. A week later I got a taste of that when I had a mini-stroke and almost went blind. I was seeing everything double, and like my blind friend, I went on and did my shows and lectures anyway.
I got lousy reviews and was fumbling trying to find my props.
The thing that was funny, was that if I wore a patch on one eye, I could converge the double vision because I was then monocular. But, the strain on any one eye required me to switch the patch from one eye to the other.
I did that during the show (twice) and it got a very big laugh both times. The audience might have thought I was faking the need for the patch so they laughed.
-------Lastly, I didn't mean that magicians shouldn't perform one-handed and I know you didn't say that, its just that the only one who would even notice would be the guy who has to do it. The rest of the audience would just see it as a skilled move and not think any more of it.
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---Lastly, I didn't mean that magicians shouldn't perform one-handed and I know you didn't say that, its just that the only one who would even notice would be the guy who has to do it. The rest of the audience would just see it as a skilled move and not think any more of it.


Magicians,

I apologize if my response to your post was too strong. I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't opposed to one-handed slights by other magicians. Relating to the quote above, that's exactly my point that a majority of seniors in a nursing home might be "the guy who has to do it." I guess I'm a little over-protective of my core audience, being primarily a volunteer magician.

I wasn’t offended by your post, I just wanted to clarify what I was trying to say, since I did it poorly to begin with. I bear you no ill will and wish you all the best.

Dave
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