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twiztedmusky
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Is this any good?
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A couple of months ago, there was a huge thread on the 3 Fly and who liked who's routines. Try a quick search on 3 Fly
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It's nothing brilliant.

- Sankey has a couple of better routines on his "best of" DVD set.

I've yet to see the man in question perform it though, I assume he makes it look good.
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Your assumption is right. I've practiced and tested most of the 3-fly routines in print or on tape and Daryl's booklet is no major improvement. But seeing him do it made me wonder if I skipped something...
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Nah Dan, you didn't. Daryl's contribution is a patchwork at best (IMHO). There are much better routines out there.
Do the check on 3Fly threads and you will find what you seek.
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I agree that Daryl's is not that good. It may work for him, but it is not for me. It's all a matter of personal taste.
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Where can I see him perform it?
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Best "3fly" is really Jonathan Townsends finger tip coins across, he's the original gangster of finger tip craze with coins across.
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Daryls version was not bad in my opinion. It is the best ungaffed version after Kenners at least in my opinion.
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I've seen him do 3 fly and Daryl makes it look magical!
Magically,
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Problem with 3F can be that a lot of guys do it too quick. The audience just gets left behind. I've even seen Daryl dem his own 3F too fast for magicians once.

However, although I reckon there are better versions around, when given the time and his best energies Daryl made folks drool with his version, even that silly bit where he does that daft 'coin thru pocket' thing which in truth just sucks, his patter and humour made it a fun moment of disbelief.
And so again the point is proven, it's not just the magic that has to work, it's the delivery and the talent too. Smile
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I have Bob Kohler's 3 Fly and it really seems to fry my audiences!

What is the opinion of you "purists" Smile of this gimmicked version versus a non gimmicked version?

Do you think it's ok to use gimmicked coins for real audiences?

I have always subscribed to this theory that real, ungimmicked coins are better to use than gimmicked, because if they reach out and grab them, there's nothing to find!

Bob Kohlers 3F is the only gimmicked effect I use.

Opinions?

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Soh,
where have you seen Townsends version performed? Or in print? I've never seen either and I've been performing different versions for over 10 years.
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Try asking Jon - he posts here all the time! Never mind, I'll do it!

Jonathan, are you listening? It would be great to get the originators' history of this effect, and his philosophy. How about it Jonathan? I'd like to hear how you thought about this effect, why you moved to a fingertip position, what you did first and what the thought process was as you went through various stages of development. Who you shared this with, did anyone work on it with you, what were your inspirations? How did it become so popular, what do you think about the versions that are available to the magic fraternity now? Why do you like/dislike about different approaches? I would value this information as much, no, MORE, than the actual methodology. Please? Or not - as you wish...
Thanks in advance, and as always,

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Hello Folks,

I'm curious as to what Daryl was inspired by.

Here is a little bit about what got me started on the road towards the routine called '3lfy'

I started learning sleight of hand in late 75, and soon made it to the Saturday gatherings in the Caféteria.

There I saw Sol Stone do a version of the Tenkai Pennies. The way he did/does it, the display is very soft touch and smooth. The coin in the left hand is tossed gently and travels invisibly to land near the one in the right hand. I liked the sense of an invisible transit he conveyed and the soft touch making the coins seem almost weightless.

A year or two later, an aquaintance became a Slydini student. He was working on the gesture to make it seem a coin flies off his hand and vanishes into the air. Just watching this gesture made me wonder how well one could paint an image in an audiences mind with gestures. I had found the aesthetic for my magic with coins.

Somewhere down the line someone suggested that the coins and cards seem weighless in my hands and that I might want to do magic with a puff of smoke or glimers of light. How would one handle a glimmer of light? The images and questions have stayed with me ever since.

More on the Ramsay, Vernon, Roth and Latta influences later if people are interested.

Jonathan
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On 2003-04-21 05:08, Futureal wrote:
It's nothing brilliant.

- Sankey has a couple of better routines on his "best of" DVD set.

I've yet to see the man in question perform it though, I assume he makes it look good.




Sankey doesn't have any three fly routines on those DVD's. What are you talking about?

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On 2003-04-26 16:53, JonTown wrote:
Hello Folks,

More on the Ramsay, Vernon, Roth and Latta influences later if people are interested.

Jonathan


Since you are generally known to have "invented/created" the fingertip coins across concept Jon, I am very interested in the reasons that you decided to take the road less travelled. Has it made all the difference? And yes, I am certainly interested in how Ramsey, Vernon, etal. influenced your thinking and helped you to develop a process for creating new magic, if in fact, that is what they did. Did they? I find it fascinating, and more than a little helpful, to understand another artists' creative processes - there are often patterns that I can apply to my thinking, enlarging the world I live in. Thanks in advance for the tutorial. Always a willing student...

Best, PSC
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Paul,

I may have placed Jonathan in a bit of an uncomfortable position regarding the history and theory of the fingertip coins across. (FCA) While he's eager to talk about it, and there certainly seems to be lot of interest in the effect, for those same reasons I have tried to convince him to keep the information close for a DVD project dedicated to the effect.

Jonathan is interested, but now we're in one of those (seemingly) inevitable delay periods. I'm hardly his offical spokesman, but I do know that he is delighted and surprised that the effect has suddenly become this popular, and we both wonder why it took 20 years.

For the serious student, I can tell you that the production of coins in a fan at the fingertips was well known by the 1980's. T. Nelson Downs describes it as a way of producing "any number of coins called for" in his "Modern Coin Manipulation". However, I have yet to find any printed reference to a visual vanish of a coin from that same position prior to 1980.

I think part of what has made the effect so popular is that the "at the fingertips" position is ideal for playing to a larger audience than was envisioned in the usual close-up effect circa 1980. As Jonathan has observed, assuming the currently popular "3Fly" position practically necessitates taking a step back from your audience. This was not the staging for which Jonathan's original routine was intended. His handling was intended for, and still plays best for, a small group of people who are in close proximity. Done that close, and in the context of a casual, impromptu performance, you can imagine the impact. People walk up to him and say "hey, show us a trick." He says "okay," and pulls a miracle out of his pocket.

All this is a long-winded way of saying that Jonathan may very well decide to tip his mitt here, it's up to him, but if he appears at all reluctant, it's because I've asked him to keep a lid on everything until the shoot. Sorry. Smile
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Hey folks,

I would like to know about Daryl's routine too. I remember one Saturday at the Caféteria he visited. I was impressed by his combination of humor and handling in the routines he did for us.

I'm wondering if that flow of humor is present in the routine he is offering.

As Curtis mentioned, I am getting some clips and notes together for a video project. This might be a good opportunity to acknowledege a couple of people who essentially encouraged me to persue bringing coin magic out to the fingertips and onto open hands.

My introduction to technical sleight of hand happened in Tannen's magic shop. One afternoon I noticed someone carfully placing a coin onto their hand as they closed their hand. When they opened their hand the coin was gone. I just had to smile. It must have shown. The wheels in my mind had started turning in a new direction. He did the move a few times in a row for me. I understood that it is possible to do sleights that produce very strong visual and perceptual illusions. No explanations were given. It was as if someone had shown an air brushed painting to someone who knew only bristle brushes. Thanks Geoff!

The next year is a blur of fumbling and all the work reqired just to execute a retention pass...

One Saturday Geoff took me aside to demonstrate a one handed midair coin hang. I had my own idea for one as well. His 'French Pop' is a much better move than what I was trying. Humbled, I returned to work.

While I knew what the move should look like and had a feel for some of the choreography I did not yet have the tools to build the sleight. What I did have was the ability to fingerpalm with both hands, and lots of good advice from Geoff and David Roth about working on the basics and trying to solve problems on my own.

This brings us to the most simple use of the Ramsay 'hanging coin' ideas. The routine has coins accumulating in the Right hand as the two coins are set onto 'skyhooks' . Likewise, the NYC gang had adopted a wonderful Larry Jennings routine where a coin vanishes to seek out a selected card. The Marlo Spidergrip vanish was around and quite a test of skill and style. This may be one of the first times I crossed existing moves to create something of my own. I noticed that if one had only one coin and did a Ramsay style 'hang' fingerpalming the coin... that one could get the same 'sucker' vanish effect. I set to work to make the transfer of the coin from fingertips to fingerpalm on the way to chest level as smooth and invisible as possible. After much mirror work, my fingertips version of the Marlo move was ready for review.

Here is a tip for those who use the vanish... If you start by levering your hands down below waist level to start the take, the take happens and the audience can see your thumb on top of the coin and the fingers starting to contact from underneath. As you start to take the coin, lever the hands up at the elbows to waist level. This is about where you look at the audience and make the transfer to fingerpalm proper as they look at you. The holding hand just rests where it is and as Ramsay suggested, stays in a natural semi closed position. The taking hand gets your attention again with your eyes at your fingertips. Just as the fingertips come to eye level for best display, make the hanging gesture and keep your eyes on the invisible hanging coin. Leaving your attention on where the coin was placed, let your arm and hand drop back to rest position. I believe this was my first attempt vanishing a coin at the fingertips.
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This is very cool information Jon. Thanks!

(What happened to your thoughts on Ayn Rand's thinking,) hehehe Smile
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