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He was, and that's how I got them.

To tell the truth, I have never wanted to be Gazzo, any more than he has wanted to be me. There is only one Gazzo. I'm glad I can count him among my friends.

He is one of the best.
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On 2008-11-01 19:12, Bill Palmer wrote:
He was, and that's how I got them.

To tell the truth, I have never wanted to be Gazzo, any more than he has wanted to be me. There is only one Gazzo. I'm glad I can count him among my friends.

He is one of the best.


I just want one of his bags, man! Smile

I have to admit, I've learned more from his video on the C&B's than from any other source so, obviously, if you were to see me do the trick on the streets you'd definitely see some similarities between us. But I put enough of myself into the routine so that I'm happy with it.

I only ever met the guy once at a lecture. He totally blew me away. And he inspired me to get out there and perform.

But that's a topic for another thread...
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I think some of the "soul" is believing that a craftsman made it. I am not an expert, and I probably couldn't tell the manufacturing methods apart. But I've always had a place in my heart for my Riser, Hill, and Mogar props. I love my JP cups, but don't have the same pride in them, due to their anonymous source. The same goes for the props I've purchased at Target. It is true that the magic is in the performer, but knowing that the prop was made with care by a master does instill something in it for me. I'm sure if a true craftsman were operating the automated machinery, the calibration and quality would be better.

I used to go to one photo lab to have my pictures processed. It was the same automated setup as the other stores in the chain, but the guy who ran it was a perfectionist. Although it was located in a supermarket, all of the pros in-the-know went to him. (and charged their clients high end processing fees)
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I own El Duco, JP, and RNT2 cups and enjoy all of them. I also bought some copper cups made in India at TJMaxx for $3 each. They were actually sold to be used as pencil holders but I really like them a lot too...

The origin of our props is not the source of our magic.
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On 2008-11-01 22:24, dcjames wrote:
The origin of our props is not the source of our magic.


Unless you make your own props. Smile
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Unless you make your own props. Smile


True enough! Smile
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Hi!

What is rub-a-dub-dub? I LOVE the word. But what's behind? Google only found a lyric?! Is it used for cups and balls? Three men, three balls? It sounds so funny! Whatever it is, my kids will love it! I think about using it as a magic word...

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Nicole, rub-a-dub-dub is a cups and balls routine performed by Bill Malone.

You can take a look at his video clip from You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFJ6z0ouiQ
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This is soooooooooo funny! I love it even more now that I know what it is! Smile
I will try to translate that into German. Unfortunately I think German doesn't sound that "round" and "easy going". But, I'll try. Whenever I have done it, I'll make a video myself and put it on youtube Smile
Why haven't I heard of that earlier?! Thank you so much Smile

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I'm glad you like Bill Malone's routine and I'll be waiting for your video too, Nicole.
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I tried translating it into German, but it came out sounding like a cabaret act at one of "Those" clubs in Berlin.
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I think I found the original poster who spoke of the soul of the cups. I hear he's a real jerk.

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On 2008-07-20 10:44, kentfgunn wrote:
One set was turned by a machine. CNC tools cut a slab of brass into the Johnson product cup. You get one slab-o-brass-o-matic cup that way. No soul, no imparting of individuality by the spinner. No soul.

The cups from RNT II are hand spun by human beings. (Unless Jake is spinning that day, but he's close to being human, darn it!!) This continues a tradition of hand-made cups. If you want your magical tools to continue a tradition get Jake's cups. If you want to save a couple of bucks and get cookie-cutter cups, get the Johnson's.

As for which set will make for a better cups and balls routine, for you: It just doesn't matter. The magic isn't in the cups. Hopefully the magic is in you.

If you're attached to some diameter of final load, get a cup big enough to hold that load.

I only answered because you asked for responses from the veterans. I was in the military.


I have a set of RNT2 Cups and the Johnson cups.

I prefer spun cups. I was unecessarily waxing enthusiastic when I posted the above silliness. I've had the good fortune to speak to the Jakester on more than one occasion. I was mostly expressing a preference for, someone I consider a friend.

The one set of cups I own, that I use the most are also spun. They were the first set of cups I spent more than a hundred bucks on. They're the cups I've tossed in the air, banged with a wand and crammed little and big spheres into, thousands of times. To me they have a bit of me in them. I realize that's a snippet of poetic nonsense.

The real magic isn't in the props, nor is it in the magician. The real magic is when: with your props, aided by your abilities as a PERFORMER, you give your audience the experience of magic. The magic only happens in their eyes, truly only in their minds. It happens all too rarely with me as the performer, I hope you guys have better luck!!!

I still like my Sherwoods bestest!
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Kent:

This is one of the most insightful posts I have seen in a long time.

Many years ago, when I was first trying to be a pro, a fellow named Dick Oslund lectured at our magic club. He started his lecture with a question:

"How much magic do you own?"

One fellow said, "I own a shoebox full of magic."

Another said that he had a whole warehouse full of it. Some put a dollar value on it. When he finished taking answers, he said: "All of you are wrong. You don't own ANY magic. You own props, books, costumes, tricks and you might know some techniques, but you don't own any magic."

"Magic exists only in the spectators' minds. It's the feeling that you provoke in their minds with those props, books, costumes, etc. It's intangible. And it exists only at the time of the performance and when they are recalling it."

You have hit upon the point he was making.

Well said.

BTW, he had a second question he asked: "If you were putting on a show somewhere, you already had the hall booked and paid for, and you had $1800 to spend on the show, how would you spend it?"

Let's have some guesses, then I'll tell the forum how he replied.
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Bill,

I'd spend the money on voice lessons.
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I'd spend it on magic lessons......
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I'd spend it on advertising & press
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I'd pocket the money and do the show I've already got. Maybe I'd buy some new clothes to upgrade the garb I've already got...
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On 2008-11-13 16:07, Richard Evans wrote:
I'd spend it on advertising & press


BINGO! Give the man a cigar!

That's the answer. Some of the fellows started discussing purchasing this illusion or that one.

Dick's response: "If you don't already have an act, then why are you booking a show? Buy advertising."
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On 2008-11-13 16:18, Bill Palmer wrote:

BINGO! Give the man a cigar!



Can I smoke it in here, or do I have to go outside?

:smoke:
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Smoke it here. Steve won't mind.
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