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Okay, as I see it, these are the versions

Trilogy original
Trilogy 2.0 (same as original, but has a dvd)
Trilogy streamline (uses only one deck and has a dvd too)
Trilogy Bikes (also with dvd)

Sorry, but there's so much disparate information on this/these effects.

So I want to ask - is the bike version exactly the same as the original?
Does the original have the same odd low / even high 'directions'?

Thanks in advance by the way, there's just so much on these and the variants.
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I understand. I bought two versions just to check. It's confusing.

The original is my preferred version. It does not require the high/low directions which, though probably no concern to participants, didn't seem quite as smooth to me. The Bike version requires the additional high/low direction.

My advice: buy 2.0 and, before you mark the cards, read Jheff's review on Marketplace of the Mind for a way to streamline the effect and get two sets out of it.
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I have Trilogy 2.0 and the restrictions are "high" and "low" for the first two cards but not "odd" and even." Maybe the original substituted "odd" and "even" for "high" and "low" -- I don't know.

Jheff says just to make a two-card prediction, but I like the three step reveal. Jheff thinks it makes the trick more "mental magic" than "mentalism." To each his own, I guess.
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I have done Streamline for over 2 years now and it is with me for walk around, parlour and stage work. I have not had any problems with the cues and have always had unbelievable reactions. I like the fact that the deck is in play throughout the whole routine and remains visible through the entire number selections. For stage, I have a particiapnt note the card and number choices on a pad, and I give each card out to participants either on stage or at their dinner tables as I walk amongst the guests. The revelations build to an impossible climax and you have three applause cues that get louder.

It is great for after-dinner, intimate performances, and walk around. You can either use the dinner tabls or the hands of the participants for the cards. For walk around, you can draw in a crowd and then follow up with other material.

I cannot recommend this enough. Mine will need to be replaced soon since I use it so much!
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Think about it, using the original version which is the best in my opinion, I don't use high and low, but odd and even giving a logical reason, avoiding getting same numbers. Sounds better as each spectator can think of any number from 1 to 52. And I would bring one deck into play very early demonstrating what you've done with it. Put it back in its case, pocket it as you need hands free to write their answers down (big pad if you do stage, or 3 business cards for close-up). Important subtlety: I have on both decks the same number on the back and the same card on the face... Jan
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I prefer to use Streamline. One deck in play before the spectators selections are made.

Use the subtlety mentioned in the instructions for the odd/even. Then use verbal and physical suggestion subtleties and just let them have a free choice of number. If they do not hit then the Knepper subtlety of conscious/unconscious choice plays well.

Now that's a whole lotta subtleties.

Clearly this effect is super strong no matter what version you use.

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Agreed, used this Saturday night at a gig and got some amazing reactions with it.

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I've said it before and will say it again. the original version of Trilogy is perfect. Some will argue that it can't be 'seen' from the start. I disagree. I'm performing Trilogy (original) and the 'deck' is on show right from the beginning in a Peter Scarlett Card Box. (A Fantasio **c* *w***h** will work just as well but looks tacky!) I used the odd/even scenario right from the beginning and even spoke to the creator, Brian Caswell about it who agreed it was probably a better idea than the high/low option.

Jan: I like your interesting subtelty of identical marks on the cards. Hadn't thought of that.

I was very disappointed in the Trilogy Bikes after learning of the added separation issue but I should have know better!

Just a quickie - perhaps I ought to begin a new thread though thinking about it - what is the difference between Trilogy Streamline and Duality by Gary Jones?
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I call my version Quadology. 1 deck with 4 predictions. It appears perfectly fair, and the chances (the way I perform it) has a 1 in 105625 chance of success, which is part of my patter. I will video a performance very soon and you can tell me what you think. It Gets amazing reactions, especially from specs who understand the odds of me being correct 4 times in a row.
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I use the streamline version (with one deck) ..works great!
You can see at this link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15izoAczwg
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Nice presentation Luca!
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In my opinion if pocket space is not an issue then the original wins every time. If pocket space is an issue then you lose a little but still very powerful with the stream lined version. Bikes are completely unneccessary but will always have it's fans.
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Ethan, this is exactly why I prefer the original version of Trilogy whenever I can. Unbeatable, no restrictions. Jan
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Nice Work!!!!!
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Guys - forget about pocket space (unless pockets are all you've got of course!) If you can carry one prop, which is up front from the start and is the centrepeice for your story, the *w*t*h devices I refer to above are a dream for this effect.
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Do have any of these. When I said "nice work" in my immediate last reply I was referring to Luca's presentation on you tube.
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With the original, if you think about it you only need one deck that is on display from the start. You do not need to switch the deck. Pocket space is therefore a non-issue.
I never understood why there were two decks, it made no sense to me. Just extra hassle. Instead of the extra deck I just use a few words
It is SOOOOO easy.
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On 2008-11-23 05:45, psychicturtle wrote:
With the original, if you think about it you only need one deck that is on display from the start. You do not need to switch the deck. Pocket space is therefore a non-issue.
I never understood why there were two decks, it made no sense to me. Just extra hassle. Instead of the extra deck I just use a few words
It is SOOOOO easy.


What you've just described is clearly NOT the original but one of the the variety of variations that have been endlessly discussed. The original simply DOES require the extra something. It can't work any other way. If it could, it wouldn't have the addition - would it? So if you have a variation on the premise, by definition, it aint the original. Sorry.

But you are right - it is easy.
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Hi BOob and Luxor, thanks for the comment Smile
As you can see this version works great,will be great if they can produce a Stage Version with a Jumbo cards...!!
;)
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On 2008-11-23 06:18, Roger Kelly wrote:
So if you have a variation on the premise, by definition, it aint the original. Sorry.

But you are right - it is easy.

Oh, right, I left out the word 'release'. With the original 'release'.

My point was you can do the effect with only one deck and no switching. I have no idea what the other releases include, as I only got the original. Release, that is.
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