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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts 
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I devised the name for the trick in 1960 or 1961 when I was writing Close-Up Card Magic, which was published in 1962. Al originally did the thing for me, and there was ABSOLUTELY no indication in his presentation about a "tired" or "lazy" magician. That was MY original presentation of the trick. (So telling me of a mention in a 1973 magazine doesn't really tell me much. And I sure as heck never knew anything about Dante's "tired..." etc.)
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Finding one of my ideas in anything by Garcia doesn't surprise me. Schindler being involved does.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3621 Posts
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On 2012-06-07 14:36, magicHart wrote: Well said! I am not even what you would call a card guy, but I love Harry's ideas...
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Xantian Blend New user 44 Posts
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On 2012-08-11 19:43, Harry Lorayne wrote: Al Koran first published the trick in Abracadabra Magazine in 1954, under the name "The Lazy Magician’s Card Trick", with practically identical method and presentation as described 8 years LATER in Close-Up Card Magic (1962).
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Thomas Henry Inner circle 1011 Posts
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Thanks Xantian for the information. It's good to know the original sources so one can chain together links to later developments.
Thomas Henry
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Xantian Blend New user 44 Posts
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You're welcome. In this case, of course, the 1962 write-up in Close-Up Card Magic represents no change or development - being, to all intents and purposes, identical to Koran's published description in 1954.
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Thomas Henry Inner circle 1011 Posts
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Hi all,
I try to keep records in my notebooks of various effects of interest. I sure would like to see Koran's original write-up described above. Does anyone here know if it's available either online or in print, and either as part of a complete set or just a single issue? I have a pretty good collection of periodicals but no Abracadabra Magazine. Thanks, Thomas Henry
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duanebarry Special user 883 Posts
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"The Lazy Magician Does a Card Trick"
by Al Koran - Abra No. 450 (September 11, 1954, p 115) - also published in The Magic of Al Koran (ed. Martin Breese, 1983, p 82). |
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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Hmmm. HL went silent.
TH
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1107 Posts
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Look at this:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=205&7 Now I'm confused! Here it seems that Darwin Ortiz credited it to Jack Miller ... Anyone? mlippo |
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Atom339: And you went deaf!! I really am tired of repeating myself for people like you, so unplug your ears, buddy. From way back in (July, I think) of 2010:
"The idea of doing the effect as a "Lazy man," paying little attention, and etc., is not Al Koran's - it's mine. So far as I'm concerned, and from what I've been told over the years, that's what makes this a strong effect. Also, the idea of saying that the card is "37th" - "No, no, you moved your finger, it just moved up to 22nd..." etc., is also my preentation. Check it out, folks - in the original of Close-Up Card Magic, 1962. Also, let me stress that Koran told me that this was HIS. I took his word for it. It was when I performed it for Jack Miller, that Jack told me that it was his basic idea. Neither used the presentation that I came up with for it. Best - HARRY L. Oh, and in my opinion, using a mem. deck, or any more than a small setup, lessens its worth - by a lot. HL. P.P.S.: And if you check out the effect in the Close-Up Card Magic section of Lorayne: The Classic Collection, Volume 1, you'll "get" the "story" and you'll see the credit to Royal Road to Card Magic. And, to quote myself from TCC, Vol. 1 - "I do believe, and I've been told, that it's my resentation that has made the effect a 'standard.' Truth be told, nobody had really performed it, heard of it, mentioned it (to my knowledge) until the original of this book appeared in 1962." I also mention in this write-up how badly people louse up this trick. You'll have to check that out in TCC. HL."
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Incidentally, for all you historians...when Al Koran did the trick for me way back in about 1960(!) (before most of you were born, perhaps) he knew I wanted to publish it in C-UCM, because Richard Himber had just told him so. Al never once indicated that the concept a) wasn't his originally, and most important - b) that it had already been published. I guess he knew that if I knew that, I would not have used it. The way it worked out has made many card guys all over the world, over the decades, very happy - because they'd never be using it if I hadn't published it. And now, Mr. Atom339, I will go silent so far as you're concerned.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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Yow, Harry. It was an observation that you hadn't responded to new "evidence" that others had posted. And it was "tongue--in-cheek" humour----since I find you are rarely silent.
You enjoy being an author and it appears you have had great success in that area. An autobiography would certainly be a home run for you and an invaluable contribution to the Magic Community. I think all of us here are fascinated with your unique life and the relationshps / interactions you've had with the "greats" and not-so-greats. And, please, Harry, please consider that everyone is not against you. Everyone is not a bully here. I'm kind of honored by your response in a weird way; but don't feel I need to be slammed for one comment. I'm reading your posts that attempt to clarify history. And, as you know, most, if not all, the other magicians involved are DEAD. They can not give their perspective or possible missing details. There is no "he said, she said" except for other posters here that have found some third party information. Harry, I've been a FAN of yours for over forty years. Yes, FAN! Yes, OVER FORTY (40) years! No need to shove me into the pile of HL dissenters as I am not one.
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Okay, Atom3339, please accept my apology. I've gone through this kind of thing a few times - it is difficult to "do" humor in a forum. It certainly didn't come across as humor or tongue-in-cheek to me. Obviously, if it did, I would not have responded as I did.(I probably would have said something like - "Please; many will not realize that this is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, or funny.") So, anyway, please, remain a "fan," I need all I can get!! Harry L. (PS: Yes, "other magicians involved are DEAD" but - Al Koran was still with us when C-UCM was published in 1962. I know of no response from him - anything at all, verbally, in print, AT ALL, "denying" my write-up - which, incidentally, was in a book that became known all over the world fairly quickly - certainly Al Koran had (saw) a copy (I'd sent him one, as I did to Herb Zarrow, Dai Vernon, Frank Garcia, etc.) Be assured that if that had been the case, or if anyone had in any way told me that Mr. Koran had said so and so, I would have mentioned that in one of my future publications. So, the "DEAD" remark simply doesn't hold water.)
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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Thank you, Harry.
Sometime I'd like to hear your opinion on: 1) Nick Trost's Card Magic and 2) Using a memory deck.
TH
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Can't really give you any opinions here - first of all I'd never say anything negative about someone else's work. Anyway, I'm really not that familiar with Nick Trost's card magic. And, I've never used a memory deck, so again, no particular opinion. Like I always say -
"Whatever works for you." HL.
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Darwin Ortiz V.I.P. 483 Posts
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On 2012-09-17 00:14, mlippo wrote: See “The Traveling Card” by Jack Miller, pp.135-6, Scarne on Card Tricks, published in 1950. This write-up includes the idea of the card supposedly rising while the spectator keeps his finger on the facedown deck. As others have pointed out, the “lazy man” presentation for the Miller trick was first published by Al Koran in 1954. That same presentation later appeared in Close-Up Card Magic credited to Al Koran. |
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8482 Posts
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Interesting - would have saved so much back-and-forth had Al Koran simply told me the truth. I was, obviously, young and naive, and it would never have dawned on me that he wasn't being honest/truthful with me. Richard Himber was there when it all went down - my assumption has to be that he didn't know the trick's background either.
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1107 Posts
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On 2012-09-17 13:59, Darwin Ortiz wrote: Thanks Mr. Ortiz. And especially thanks for writing such a book as Strong Magic: simply a masterpiece! Not that the rest of your work is not up to its level, but that book has opened up a new world for me, more than a thousand card tricks. Along with Giobbi's thinking, there's everything I try and put into practice (although very modestly) in my magic. mlippo |
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Thomas Henry Inner circle 1011 Posts
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Hi all,
Just to make sure I got this straight, it was Miller who came up with the "rising card" premise in 1950, Koran who originated the "lazy man" presentation in 1954, and Lorayne who published his write-up on Koran's idea in 1962. Is that the correct chronology? I wonder if there are any earlier or later effects leading to or following from the Miller/Koran effect? Thomas Henry
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