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Nash
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Blaine's double lift was pretty neat.
though I know not the original of that double

The double I found that is most effective and convincing is a pinky-count, double turn over. Quite similar to Darwin Ortiz's.

Only I tend to put my ring finger on to right long side, to secure the double while applying pressure with my thumb while pushing the cards to the right.
The pressure between the thumbs and ring finger will keep the card in alignment.

Then simply turn the cards over.

I've heard rumors about Darren Brown's using his audience to do the DL themselves.

Is that true?
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Tom Gaddis
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Marko,

Here's some interesting history on the turnover techniques being discussed here.

In the fifties Ron Bauer devloped a double turnover technique that didn't use any breaks. He also developed several returns to hide any tells.

Larry Jennings who was a student of Ron's before he went to the castle showed these techniques to Vernon (telling Vernon he learned it from "some guy" in the midwest). Vernon then showed the idea to Dick Zimmeran who shared it with Martin Nash (Nash says Zimmerman showed him the idea).

Ron was very reluctant to publish his technique, notice I use the word technique, Ron feels it's hard to claim originality for imporving a sleight. As a result he's been left out of the history of these paticular techniques.

Flash forward, Ron is doing a trick for Charlie Miller that uses his double turnover technique. Charlie completely misses the turnover two or three times. Ron still didn't want to publish his technique, but at the urgings of Charlie he published them in "Magicana" in the eighties.

Tom

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Ron also spent many nights with Vernon discussing and analyzing Vernon's double turnover. You can find the best description of Vernon's double in print in The Private Studies Series #11 "The Mechanical Deck."
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Smile Just a side point, cause I think everyone else already answered your question.. Have you tryed using the 'get-ready', I'm currently working on the 'double-push-over, second deal', which can just be turned up as a DL, but when ever I am performing I make sure that I'm going to get it right every time, so, I use the getready, most of the time,,, I simply take off the top card and use this card to gesture with, as my left gets ready by using the same move as the tilt, but I just hold a p, break instead of a full tilt, if you have control of your spectator, this will always work, and is foolproof,,oh and after I get my p.break I simply place the card , that I was gesturing with back on the top of the deck, then after a moment , bam, DL...Rory, from the Rock,,,aka...fatmagic Smile
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Rory,

Check out the trick I sited above "The Mechanical Deck." In it there is a completely invisible get ready that can be used to get a break under as many cards as you want. This technique is far superior to the pinky count or any other get ready.

Tom
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Hey guys hope ya all doing great, I just want to make a quick comment regarding Derren Brown's double lift technique. He calls it the velvet turnover where the spectator is sure that their card is on top of the deck but of course its not Smile , this move is fully explained in Derren's excellent video "The Devils Picturebook", hope you all have a great day.
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Tom

Do you know if the Ron Bauer stuff is reprinted anywhere (or if copies of the original are still accessible)? It sounds very intriguing.
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Thanks for the information, Mr. Gaddis.

Bonford - All of Ron's routines are being printed in a wondeful recent series of manuscripts called "Private Studies."
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Bonford,

You can find all of The Private Studies Series at http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com

Let me talk to Ron and see if we can reprint the "Magicana" article. Maybe I can convince him to put it up on his website.

If you visit the site check out Dowdy's inside info for a couple of reprints of Ron's material from "Magicana." It's free.

Tom
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Tom,

I am in the process of learning the DL taught in Mechanical Deck, and I must add that the description on technique is good.

Just curious if Ron or yourself have a video clip of the DL. I would urge all interested to check out Ron Bauer's Private Studies series. Not only are the sleights involved explained in detail but the theory and psychology of why things work is explained in detail. Every time I read through one of the series I learn something new.

Dave
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Marko and Tom

Thanks for the info. Super helpful.
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If anyone wants to see the DL from "The Mechanical Deck." Go to the Private Studies Website. Then, click on Products. Next, Click on the cover of #11 "The Mechanical Deck." Next, Find the pages that show the DL. Finally, click on those illustrations and download the clip.

That's Ron doing the DL from the performers exposed veiw. All of the current releases (1-12) have these clips you can download for free to help you learn the tricks. There's over thirty in all.


If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me.

Tom
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Re: Ron Bauers' two card turnover technique - I can tell you that when I first met Ron, I had been doing magic for 25 years, and spent a good portion of that time with names all of you would quickly recognize. I was NEVER fooled by a double lift. Once you know that manuever it becomes instantly recognizable. I did not however, realize WHY it was so easily discernible.

Ron FOOLED me! Repeatedly! And I wasn't the only one (Thank God, my ego would have been irreparably damaged!). Jack McMillen, Charlie Miller, Bruce Cervon, and Dick Zimmerman, were also fooled, to name a few. And of course, Larry Jennings, who took the technique to CA with him, "forgetting" where he got it, and built a reputation with it and other things that he was taught, but that is a whole other thread.

Then, Ron told me how, and why. His technique is the best ever, and I use it almost exclusively now. Note I said ALMOST exclusively. There are some situations where other techniques are more appropriate, and I resort to those techniques when the need arises. But most often, I use the RB TCTT, and now I fool EVERYBODY! The reason: RB has eliminated all the tells - those subtle moments or actions that indicate that you are about to do something. The absence of tells is the reason I was fooled so badly by Ron, and the presence of those same tells is the reason that I had previously "seen" every double anyone ever did.

If you can get the Magicana Tom mentioned, by all means do. If RB releases the info on the website, be sure to read it. And by the way, one of the other techniques I use is the Vernon method that Ron so beautifully describes in the "Mechanical Deck", so buy that. Finally, ask me if we meet, and I'll do it for you - that is the beauty of the Bauer material - once you understand it, and you CAN understand it the way RB writes, then you own it! By the way, he didn't pay me to say this stuff!

Best, PSC
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Any comments or thoughts on the double lift Ammar teaches in his Easy to Master Card Miracles set?
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The one Ammar teaches is Vernon's, but from what I recall, he doesn't do a very good job teaching it.
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I enjoy doing David Acer's "Sliding Double lift". It's so smooth in execution, and looks like a single card pulloff. It's on "Roadkillers".
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Re: Nash DL - for me, turning over the card stud-like to show it is more natural than flipping it over page-like onto the deck. Much more like something I would do in a game of cards (especially when I'm usually going to turn it straight back over again). The rotation of the card on the base of the thumb should be minimal - just enough to allow you to align the cards before turning over. But it's horses for courses I guess.

In my mind, the major enemy of naturalness or a casual style is not the choice of Double-lift-A or Double-lift-B, but the claw-like, tension-ridden way in which many magicians tend to hold their double. I'll be waiting with bated breath for publication of Ron Bauer's much feted lift and techniques which seem to focus on this casualness.

By the way, what does TCTT stand for Paul?

Rgds,

Ian
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After 2 pages of posts, I'm not sure what the answer to the original question was!!
Is the David Blaine DL in question the same as Nash's?
It certainly isn't the same as the mechanical deck DL!
A proper answer would be nice, thanks.
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Ian,

TCTT = Two card turnover technique. You can find the article on this in a Magicana in the early eighties - I can look it up, but I think it is during 1983. There were some problems, as I recall, with the illustrations. That is why I was lobbying for RB to put the info up on his website, hopefully, with corrections. Go to the website and let him know you are interested, I'm sure that will make a difference.

Best, PSC
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The original post was to inquire about the Blaine DL. The discussion turned to other DL's since there are other DL's that are more deceptive in my opinion and by the looks of things others opinions as well.

Dave
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Thanks Paul - I'll do both (try to hunt out the Magicana article and hassle Ron into publishing it on his website)

Rgds,

Ian
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