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Pablo_Amira
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Hi !
I have a Question...
I perform my copper-silver transpo, with 2 reg. coins.
I vanish one of them
and then I do a spellbound routine
maybe isn't good for the illusion?
because before that I show 2 separated coins.
thanks!
p.d: I never see that thing , for that I put this topic...
p.d 2 : if I have a english problem.. sorry, isn't my language Smile
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I had a similar problem - I was doing a spellbound routine, then I needed another copper coin for a copper silver trick. I already pocketed the copper, but needed it back. So, I started out by having a small purse on the table, that was seen to be empty. I produceed whatever coins I needed from the empty purse, and also the copper coin.
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This is a very good question, Pablo. Many magicians don't think about this, and they end up exposing their first trick by doing their second. I discuss this at length as a part of the explanation for "Edgy New York Spellbound" in my "Earning Interest" notes. In that routine, I follow the same plan that Michael did, i.e. I do the spellbound routine first, then go into the copper/silver/brass transposition.

I was talking to James Lewis, and he said he does things this way, as well. So I'm wondering about your decision to do the copper/silver transposition first, and then spellbound afterwards, but I don't know, maybe in your hands, the spellbound is stronger.

One solution might be simply to have an extra coin. It would make your transposition better, and then you could have the "other coin" sitting there on the table as you do spellbound.
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Maybe do a copper silver, with a dollar and a english penny
and the spellbound with a chinese.
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I start with a production of a silver coin..which multiplies into many..silver coins...then I change one of them into a copper coin...then do the transposition.....

after that all the silver become copper....(with some using a spellbound approach)

The copper coins are vanished...and the last one...(don't get ahead of me...)


changes back to a silver coin...(as my wife says A..B..A and my library friends call a circle story)


Using a third..(like the Chinese Coin you suggested..) is also a possible solution.
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Pablo, it's simple enough to just start with the Spellbound and then to to the Cop/Silv Transposition. But it would indeed look a bit better to use a different coin during the Spellbound, like a Chinese coin but an extra coin must be worked in (it can be done). But I think sorta mixing the 2 routines is a good way to do this and I think I sorta do it that way in my Cop/Silv-Surprise effect.

But if you don't want to do that and are looking to start as you do with the transpo and then on to the Spellbound, you don't really have to ring in a different coin to then do the Spellbound effectively enough. After vanishing 1 of the 2 coins from the transpo, then if you can show both hands fairly and empty but for the one coin, then going into a spellbound is easy. You might want to check into my use of the "Quick Pitch," in this exact regard, it is quite effective. All of this is in my "Short Pockets" download. Smile

PS Pablo (and to All):

Also, you'd be surprised at what specs recognize and what they don't. A lot of times what we believe to be an issue for specs is more largely our own issue as we look from both sides of the curtain as to what looks best or is most logical. A great article to read on this is in the new Dec. '08 issue of Scientific American, "Magic and the Brain." It speaks in-depthly about the larger concept of "Now you see it, now you don't" and why. Once you better understand all this in relative terms with Neuroscience, then you might see that all of what magi's worry about is more their worry than anyone else's. Very interesting stuff that should be required reading on the topic for the big and the small in the art. Smile

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http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=magic-and-the-brain

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What a great post MB!!!
I will read all the article.
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True Master he is, very nice, M.B.thx for the post of this video.
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On 2008-11-18 22:05, Pablo_Amira wrote:
Hi !
I have a Question...
I perform my copper-silver transpo, with 2 reg. coins.
I vanish one of them
and then I do a spellbound routine
maybe isn't good for the illusion?...


First - this is troublesome: "I perform my copper-silver transpo, with 2 reg. coins."

what the heck does effect "what the audience sees in the show" have to do with method "what we use to get the show working"?

Okay - on to your question -

Consider what would happen if you took out a wallet with two coin holders inside - and inside those cardboard coin holders were a silver and a copper coin. You pop the coins out of the holders and do the transposition. Then you seem to lose one of the coins but can't tell which one went missing. Finally - you find both somewhere safe.

Does that satisfy the dramatic structural issue without putting a focus on the "method" side for you?

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Hi Mr Jonathan
I said that , because the copper silver routine that I performed in this time, its with 2 regular coins.
I wanna read answers and comments ,and this its a point to considered to me , in the handling of transition to one effect to the other.
thanks
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I have a routine I call one coin deluxe and in the middle of the routine I do a serise of spellbound moves, coin changes from silver to copper to a chinese, then ethier I end it with a jumbo production or a deck of cards and go into card crap...lol
Just a thought
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Yes, I loved it Smile
maybe the line can be :
" you can think I can used like a extra coin....."... welll, maybe, but its very big!
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Tim, Changing the coin to another type of prop makes sense to me.

Though one can argue, transitions don't have to be magical...Going from coins say to sponge balls, it is "easy" to think of a coin "morphing" into a sponge...silver coin to a silver sponge..or copper coin morphing into a copper(actually the sponge I use is more "goldish"....
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On 2008-11-19 10:57, Mb217 wrote:
... A great article to read on this is in the new Dec. '08 issue of Scientific American, "Magic and the Brain." It speaks in-depthly about the larger concept of "Now you see it, now you don't" and why. Once you better understand all this in relative terms with Neuroscience, then you might see that all of what magi's worry about is more their worry than anyone else's. Very interesting stuff that should be required reading on the topic for the big and the small in the art. Smile

*Here's the online article link but the actual magazine has some more interactive elements to it and photos, tests, and includes some "coin stuff" as well. Definitely worth getting a copy. -Mb

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=magic-and-the-brain

**And here's a little academia for you from the article as per Apollo Robbins. It should not be hard to see the very real connection to coin magic, actually any magic: http://tinyurl.com/6lhxy8

Watch closely, this guy is a true master. It don't get much better than this. And despite what you hear from experts, be aware that there are many levels to this stuff. Smile Enjoy my friend! Smile


Apollo's arched movement theory around the end of his lecture is very new and extremely interesting

Thank you Marion for the great references and the great post. You know that this is what I'm constantly searching about and therefore will appreciate that my gratitude is not just politeness.
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