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As with many cases involving performance as well as what the Mask Magician does, it would be a lengthy process with dubious outcomes. It is sure not worth the stress and money.

In this situation, Gale being a lawyer, he would know his rights or at least know the person who would give him the correct answers. Is it worth the challenge? Will he lose money or make more money from broad TV exposure?
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The damage done by the exposure specials is considerable. The loss of revenue from the manufacturers is one aspect that seems to be ignored. Why buy something if it has been exposed to millions of viewers? There is also a movement among inventors to not market their products because they don't want them to be ripped off and exposed. Is this good for magic generally? It seems to be forcing creative people to hide their work so they are not victimized and therefore making those works inaccessible to legitimate performers.

The lament of so many of the same effects performed at magic conventions may well be a factor in this situation. Are the performers are only presenting their most well-known effects for magic conventions so they are not subjected to having their most inventive effects stolen? Given this free for all theft and exposure atmosphere I know I would be loathe to trot out a innovative new illusion. Why risk it?
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Regarding the original post to this thread, it might be helpful to remember Goldin:

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles......34.shtml
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The mask must to be Stoped in USA! We make for all the world this tv shows!
They never will Stop with this shows. In all of the world the magicians feel ruined.

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I still think it is foolish to take out a patent on a magic apparatus since the patent process carries a built-in exposure (as underlined by the above mentioned article on Goldin)
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On 2008-11-24 20:44, Paulo Cabrita wrote:
The mask must to be Stoped in USA! We make for all the world this tv shows!
They never will Stop with this shows. In all of the world the magicians feel ruined.

Paulo

Well I don't feel ruined, and they actually exposed a trick very similar to one I use in "Roxy."

I don't feel ruined one bit.

Wanna know why? I watched it with my dad & his girlfriend. Even after the trick was exposed they still didn't "get it." Magic mechanics are far more complicated than the average laymen is ready to digest. Further, they just aren't that complelling. My dad changed the channel as soon as a commercial came on...
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Philosofy words about the exposure of our secrets, or maybe the best workshop for magicians!
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The masked magician is an a**h**e. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Hes's an a**. He was once an accomplished magician, and has sold out for $$$$.

I don't think very many people actually watch this program. Ask around and see what response you get. The ones that do see it will quickly forget what they saw. They may remember some of the larger concepts, such as "she's held up by a bar", but won't remember much more than that.

The masked a**h**le exposed "Things that go bump in the Night", a favorite of Doug Henning. The method exposed was IDENTICAL to the method that Lance Burton uses. What was the reason for that? Does this guy have a bone to pick with magicians in general, or some in particular? Why didn't he use a box or container or something other than a teepee?

As far as patents are concerned, the mechanics of the device are patented, not the secret. You can't produce the same product without some type of royalty agreement. But, to my knowledge, you can expose the secret without any penalty.

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We are far more interested than the average layman. The more he shows, the less they remember. I also own a Gamolo, once he shows a few hundred more secrets, it will be lost in the shuffle.
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Hey All, Thought I would put my 'two cents' in regarding this issue. First I would have to say magic has sunk to an all time LOW, this ***hole Masked Magician is proof of this fact. He has gone way beyond anyone should have treaded and it really is a shame. As a working pro as well as magic inventor/builder I can sympathize with both the magician and the dealer aspects as well as as the art of magic itself. If we as magical entertainers own any of these illusions as well as the recently revealed apparatus magic, my advice it to pack them away for a few years before attempting to perform them again. Assuming no one has seen these shows in nonsense, I feel a change of tone in my own performances recently from lay folks stating "Oh, I know how everything is done, I saw the Masked Magician on television"...

Look, the bottom line is that this jerk sold out. He obviously could not make two nickels to rub together as a legitimate performer ( as well as the first masked ***hole from years ago ) or he would not have crossed the line so to speak and expose magic. This not only hurts the struggling magicians who spent thousands on items that are currently useless as well as builders who will not be able to move diddly squat to an overall negative 'feel' in the field of magic.

Back in the 1930's David Devant was ostracized and dealt with harshly by his contemporaries for exposing a few of HIS OWN illusions. If the effects were the Masked Magicians own creations he was exposing I would have no problem with what he is doing, but this clumsy boob barely knows how to neatly shuffle a deck of cards let alone stake a claim to his own effects.

I know a lot of talented individuals who have some great new ideas who are very reluctant to share these with the magic community for fear of the ideas being exposed or mis-used, myself included.

So you see, good ol' Valentino's excuse of past " I exposed these illusions so magicians will lay these tired ideas and come up with new ones" has basically backfired as there is no foundation to this thinking. In other words, inventors are keeping most of their ground breaking effects to themselves because of this mess.

I will take my best ideas to the grave thanks to the Masked ***hole!!

Magically,

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Within the past 3 weeks I have been asked "...If I saw that guy on TV who shows how the tricks are done?" 5 times. This is more than I've ever been asked about this type of thing ever.

There is such thing as a "critical mass" and "tipping points" where ideas get firmly embedded into the public's consciousness. It takes a long time to get it out of their heads by that time. I think it's gotten to that point with the general public now, unfortunately.
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When people ask me about these exposures, I tell them that these are anachronistic tricks and the methods the masked magcian uses are no longer used by pro magicians. It's not totally true, but if enough magicians respond this way, this disinformation will help discredit the "exposure".
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I swear you'd think the sky was falling by reading some of these posts!

Between the so-called recession and the MM you'd think magicians are ready to pack it in and die a slow death... Sheesh.

All the hoopla over the MM is unwarranted. I stand by my earlier post that we need a shot in the arm to force new originality and creativity. THose who perform original, unique, creative material will never have to fear exposure.

Case in point - Everyone knows how the linking rings work. It has been one of the most exposed tricks in history. I mean really do you honestly believe that there is anyone in your audience who doesn't know that one of the rings has a big freakin' hole in it? Yet, when someone sees Cellini do the rings they are completely amazed. His artistry superceeds the method. I could cite example after after example and you probably could too. PRESENTATION ALWAYS TRUMPS METHOD!

HOWEVER, even if this weren't true there is another reason not to get yer panties in a wad. Statistically speaking NOBODY is watching this show. The ratings prove this out, and the people who ARE watching are people already interested in magic. The first MM sparked interest in a now famous Angela Funovits. Not a bad result... But consider this as well. I spent 7 years as an A&R, and Marketing Director for several major record labels. My job was to dictate what the public would like, listen to and buy (we made the decision, not you). Anyway at the time Madonna still ruled the charts and sales figures. At her peak, her best selling album sold 20 million WORLDWIDE, only 4 million of those in the US. Do the math girls, there are nearly 300 MILLION people in the US alone. Only 4 Million bought her records. What is that percentage? Less than 5%? Statsically, noboby was buying her music. And she was a pop music icon, with maximum exposure in every media format known to man, and yet the best she could do was 4 million.

Now, consider the MM - an anyonomous "magician" of questionable skill, on an independant network not even available in all markets, on a Monday night against the the NFL, WWE, and countless other popular network and cable shows. Do the math people... NOBODY is watching this show. And if they are then they already love magic. USE that to your advantage! Don't hide from it.

So put your cube zag away if you think you must, but I recommend you spend time creating a good presentation.

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BDC, if the MM was exposing your creations, you are saying that 5% of the US knowing how you did it is acceptable to you, correct?
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Yes, that would be acceptable - however there is no way that the MM reaches even near 5%. How I do something is not nearly as important as why. For more on the foundation of this thought read Magic & Meaning by Eugene Burger and Robert Neale.
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Let's remember that Anneman said he would have 99 people in on one effect to fool one person. Seems that's a bit in line with exposure too. I'm not equating stooges to exposure, but the 5% certainly does parallel that example.
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On 2008-11-27 21:30, Big Daddy Cool wrote:
Yes, that would be acceptable - however there is no way that the MM reaches even near 5%. How I do something is not nearly as important as why. For more on the foundation of this thought read Magic & Meaning by Eugene Burger and Robert Neale.



BDC, It's possible the reason you have not been contacted by the IBM for their convention is your position on exposure, which runs counter to the IBM's stated bylaws...
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well, how many people do you think the show provides a job for?
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I work for Fox part time (freelancer), and they're hurting for money bigtime! This show is doing NOTHING for them as far as income.... the ratings are horrible. They're actually talking about reducing freelance work!! Noooooooooo!!!

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On 2008-11-20 13:33, Big Daddy Cool wrote:
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On 2008-11-20 13:07, musicman20190 wrote:
What is the benefit of having a show like this?. I cannot see one redeeming quality of his type of broadcast.

well, how many people do you think the show provides a job for?


I work for Fox part time (freelancer), and they're hurting for money big time! This show is doing nothing for them as far as income. The ratings are horrible.

Sorry about the double post here! Still new at this...
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On 2008-11-19 19:03, Dennis Michael wrote:
I got an email from Gale wanting to know if anybody taped that show?


They've all been posted on youtube.. I bet that one's there too
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