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John C
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On 2008-11-20 16:49, Smoking Camel wrote:
Dmkraig, interesting experience. Let me rephrase the question:

Why is the truth important when it comes to psychic ability?

Truth is important to everything.

And, there is truth to everything, just as there is truth to gravity and math.

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Right, and like gravity, what was believed to be truth by the scientific community and the world in general, can be turned on its head with a theory. And like gravity, what the general population believes it to be may be the relative complete opposite of what it is.

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Short answer - yes, skeptical inquiry is a good thing.

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On 2008-11-29 17:07, johncesta wrote:
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On 2008-11-20 16:49, Smoking Camel wrote:
Dmkraig interesting experience. let me rephrase the question:

Why is the truth important when it comes to psychic ability?

Truth is important to everything.

And, there is truth to everything, just as there is truth to gravity and math.

J

Really? When I last checked the Truth was that the General Theory of Relativity (gravity) and Quantum Theory were completely incompatible. Yet both are successful theories, supported mathematically and both have been verified countless times by observation.
So where exactly is that truth you speak of?
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LOL

Dan, I don't know if you caught my comments on General Relativity (it is in my previous post) but as we know, it states the complete opposite of gravity than Newton theorized. Yet people accept the Newtonian view as a fact (even though it has holes in it) and they praise Einstein for his theories on Relativity, but they do not know they contradict each other.

I think John used the "gravity" example tongue-in-cheek. (John is like that Smile ) Didn’t Einstein use mathematics to disprove Newton???

He's a very clever man, that John Cesta, and a bit of a minx!


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Um... not really, Tony, but a good point nonetheless.
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On 2008-11-29 18:03, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
LOL

Dan, I don't know if you caught my comments on General Relativity (it is in my previous post) but as we know, it states the complete opposite of gravity than Newton theorized. Yet people accept the Newtonian view as a fact (even though it has holes in it) and they praise Einstein for his theories on Relativity, but they do not know they contradict each other.

I think John used the "gravity" example tongue-in-cheek. (John is like that Smile ) Didn’t Einstein use mathematics to disprove Newton???

He's a very clever man, that John Cesta, and a bit of a minx!


Tony


You're right. Flew past me. Apologizes all around, particularly to John. Should have know better. I haven't been following the latest on this topic.
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On 2008-11-29 18:32, Lemniscate wrote:
Um... not really, Tony, but a good point nonetheless.


I thought thst in the Newton view, gravity was an attractive force, pulling on objects, where as in the Einstein view, gravity was the force of the universe pushing an object. Seems like opposite views to me.

(I don't want to go into the specifics here, and I would probably mess up, dealing with mass of an object distorting space and space pushing back at the object...)
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On 2008-11-29 19:04, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
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On 2008-11-29 18:32, Lemniscate wrote:
Um... not really, Tony, but a good point nonetheless.


I thought that in the Newton view, gravity was an attractive force, pulling on objects, where as in the Einstein view, gravity was the force of the universe pushing an object. Seems like opposite views to me.

(I don't want to go into the specifics here, and I would probably mess up, dealing with mass of an object distorting space and space pushing back at the object...)


I don't really know, but if I am jumping out of a plane, I wouldn't do it without a parachute, whether I am being "pushed" by gravity or "pulled" by gravity, either way without a chute I am going to hit the ground at the same speed. So I guess neither Einsten and Newton are both right. Smile
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On 2008-11-20 15:26, Smoking Camel wrote:

So my question is this: In relation to psychic phenomenon: why must it be boxed up, analysed and labeled?

Why does science need to have an explanation for such things?


Hi Smoking Camel,

One of the major goals of science is to "explain." It's that simple.

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Dan, how does the fact that two different paradigms for understanding the functioning of the universe contradict each other deny the value of truth?
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SCIENCE doesn't need an explanation for anything.

PEOPLE need an explanation for things.

They use the SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUE to try and find that explanation.

Simply put, to explain something correctly, you must first investigate and find proof.

It is PEOPLE want to know if Psychic Phenomena exists or not.

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