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MP, there will always be a market for great entertainment. If bozos hypnotizing drunks in bars caused the stage industry to collapse, it deserved to collapse.
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DMkraig,

Totally agree with you...

At the end of the day there are several UK hypnotists making a fortune and YES they are doing it in UK at UK venues.

Unfortunately too many people spend time complaining on groups like this rather than concentrating on sales and marketing of their own Talents (if they have any that is)

People can blame other people and find excuses all day long, far more constructive to get off your fat arse and actually do some promotion and get work.

Or perhaps I'm missing the point and the idea is to slag everyone off and spend your life in places like this - lol.
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DMkraig,

Totally agree with you...

At the end of the day there are several UK hypnotists making a fortune and YES they are doing it in UK at UK venues.

Unfortunately too many people spend time complaining on groups like this rather than concentrating on sales and marketing of their own Talents (if they have any that is)

People can blame other people and find excuses all day long, far more constructive to get off your fat arse and actually do some promotion and get work.

Or perhaps I'm missing the point and the idea is to slag everyone off and spend your life in places like this - lol.
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On 2009-03-06 13:56, Photo-Wizard wrote:
DMkraig,

Totally agree with you...

At the end of the day there are several UK hypnotists making a fortune and YES they are doing it in UK at UK venues.

Unfortunately too many people spend time complaining on groups like this rather than concentrating on sales and marketing of their own Talents (if they have any that is)

People can blame other people and find excuses all day long, far more constructive to get off your fat arse and actually do some promotion and get work.

Or perhaps I'm missing the point and the idea is to slag everyone off and spend your life in places like this - lol.


hear hear
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Who? is making a fortune? Certainly not up here since it is effectively banned from most public places.

Hypnosis is not percieved only as "entertainment". Its percieved as being dangerous and harmful. (whether it is or not is another thread)The bozo's helped that.


Plus the bozo's who ruined it did so by the glut of schools all making a fast buck.

Im not complaining I'm stating a fact. How anyone can say mass production of cheap instruction is good for the industry is beside me. Good for the peddlers maybe.

But certainly not good for the industry.

I am still waiting for someone to send me to a link that shows "progress" with all the street stuff. Looks like I'll be waiting a long time.
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If it's completely banned where you are, MP, then it really doesn't matter what schools are teacher or what people do on the streets.

If there are some places where it's allowed, then I would hope that only the best would perform there. That, of course, would depend upon the bookers. It would also depend upon the advertising materials and publicity of the performer, all part of their professionalism.

Someone hypnotizing a bud in a pub is not going to spend money on advertising and publicity and not going to be booked into those places where it's allowed. If someone who is a professional isn't getting booked there, it's because their advertising and publicity isn't good enough to make the booker sit up and take notice. That's not a problem with "the industry" caused by hypnosis on the street, it's a problem of someone not being a strong enough of a professional to produce materials that get the booker's attention.

Bookers are interested in one thing: putting butts in seats. Escape from a straight jacket while hanging upside down from a crane outside of the tallest building in the area and you'll get plenty of publicity for a magic show and fill the auditorium. What is the professional hypnotist doing of that caliber?

Perhaps the problem is that hypnotists are used to pre-internet easy bookings. Perhaps the problem is that the world has changed while some of them have not? The ultimate truism is evolve or die. I'm not a fan of Madonna, but I respect the number of times she's reinvented herself to stay popular with new styles.
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I watched a hypnotist last week doing a show up in Scotland. He was great, his fee was £300 (in a pub)and he does a about 6 shows a month.
So, young guy, making a living, but honing his skills at the same time. What's wrong with that? Great to see a young lad going for it, and, because of his enthusiasm has no probs finding hypnosis work here in the UK in 2009!
Now I know someone in here will poo poo this and talk of how little the fee is, but, this guy WANTS to do hypnosis. Nothing else matters to him other than to practice his craft. With this in mind I'd say he's successful.
I love to see someone who, instead of standing on the sidelines boo-ing, gets involved in the actual playing of the game, at any level.

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Bobser,

I agree with your point of view entirely..

I personally know a Hypnotist Called Chris Lee who works pretty much twice a week every week and then also gets a few extra gigs here and there.

Overall realistially on average he does at least TEN shows each month and after expenses and such clears at least £300 a show which is £3K minimum each month and at least £36K a year from those shows (his bread and butter work alone)

The majority of these shows are all within a 10 to 30 mile radius of where he lives and have been secured by him getting off his backside and driving around and visiting Pub and Club owners in person and selling them the idea of his show.

Pretty much 99% of the time he is rebooked and so that becomes a regular venue that he goes back to between 4 to 6 times a year and best of all he has no agents comission to pay on these gigs.

He also films every show and sells DVDS of the show on the night for £10 each and usually sells a dozen or more each night (another clear £100 per show profit or an extra profit of at least £12K a year

that's a running total of £48K+ Minimum each year PROFIT (after Expenses) and that's not accounting for all the personal one to one therapy clients he gets to see as a result of his shows who pay anywhere from £100 up to £250 a session for his time.

And of course at Xmas he's working most very night of the week, so god knows what his actual end of year profits are, but I do know this hes one fine example of someone who working as a STAGE HYPNOTIST in the UK is making a consisently well above National Average income, working for himself and doing what he enjoys..

All it takes is getting off your backside and putting some work in...
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Mindpuisher

it is niether banned or effectively banned from most public places.

Getting a License off Councils is now easier than its ever been (if you have insurance)

And getting insurance is easy through FESH, Thru Equity and also thru several independent insurance companies that us who work regularly as Stage Hypnotists know of.

I think with respect your commments and views are a little stuck in the past.

Things have changed a lot since the early 90's
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According to a hypnotist who is still performing most of the scottish universities have banned hypnosis. He said that was the situation about 6 months ago. Plus there was some move by councils being considered where bar owners may lose their license if they used hypnotists without a license. This again was about 6 months ago. In most parts of scotland. Most bar owners won't obtain a license.

He also claimed it was banned from council owned theatres. He still performs that is what he said? And what he said he was told when approching the above venue's.


I know there was an incedent in a glasgow university that got a lot of publicity 0nly two years ago. And many univesities did not allow hypnotists after that.

Bobser

£300 is ok for a bar when I started out raw I was getting £250-£300 more than 20 yeas ago. yes photo wizard things have changed since the 90s. things like petrol and cr maintanence food and drink have got a lot more expensive.

However Ive looked into things occasionally over the years. And the last year or so has seen a couple performers doing bars. Mostly for £100 a show. I still get the odd call asking me if still do shows. And £300 seems to be the maximum at least from the calls.

Im not going to poo the price of £300. Personally I wouldn't travel the country for that. Petrol wear and tear on your car and I always prefered to have someone with me. It doesn't leave much if any. And its a tough way to earn money doing the bars if you have to travel.

However good luck to anyone that wants to go that route.
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My last paid hypnosis show was about five years ago. I still did the odd rare ocasional show...up until then.
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Since then ive had mixed success with training and consulting. most ive earned up till now is 6k for two days training salespeople. I know someone who got 12k for two hours speaking.

I am more interested in pursuing these outlets.Not for the money although that helps.

Its a lot more interesting work and use of hypnosis among other things.However if the market could bare a decent rate I might be tempted. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I am not loaded by any means but getting by happily. As for hypnotists making a ffortune? The only ones that made a fortune even in the boom days were the ones doing long theatre runs. I wouldn't see that being any different today. Especially with the fees expected for performers.

But I suppose travelling half the country to pick up £300 might be a fortune for some.

Only a couple of years ago hypnotists would travel from way down south for £250-£300. To me that's a hobby not a job.
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Hiring venues (so called four walling in the states) I still the way tomake big ££/$$ here in England and well pretty much anywhere its legal.

Indeed my colleague Robert Temple I am aware is soon to do a Massive Manchester Venue and at £10 a ticket stands to take in £10K for one night.

OK theres some advertising costs, but still he stands to clear more PROFIT in one night than someone on State Benefits gets given in an entire years Giros... so its safe to say there is money (good money) at that to be made by those who are prepared to take action, put their money where their mouth is and promote their own shows.

Funny thing Captain Buzby a hypnotist in Scotland does Kilmanock Theatre and some other places in Scotland a couple of times a year, never has a problem getting a license and makes a good profit.

Also Peter POwers has no problems at Glasgow Pavillion he was there in Feb as per:

http://www.paviliontheatre.co.uk/xml/sho......20090206

And I happen to know he will be there again later in the year...

Indeed I could go on and on but suffice to say I know of several Stage Hypnotists in UK who are making a very nice living indeed and not just in pubs and Clubs, but also for Corporat events and by booking venues and promoting their own shows.
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Powers is one of the exceptions but he still only plays glasgow very rarely. Compared to the past.

Well who knows perhaps its on a revival there are plenty of youngsters not seen it around. If that's the case then its recent.

England may be different from Scotland. Hypnosis has always been cyclic in popularity. Perhaps there is a new cycle. If that's the case then get in now. Get the venues make them your own. That is the big secret. The guys that corner the venues are the ones that make it. They usually stay in them until the cycle is over.

Big part of Powers success was getting into the Pavillion. A prime venue which also got him his tv series. He mustve played there off and on for 20 years. And he locked in his exclusivity. After I left my venue many hypnotists tried to take it over including powers they bombed. It had come to the end of its cycle.

Hypnosis has never been popular up here as a corporate event though.
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WOW! This thread has completely changed from the original topic! However, I have to throw in my thoughts here. As Europe's Youngest Professional Comedy Hypnotist, I and my team have taken the plunge on the Manchester show but tickets are selling very well and yes I stand to take a large chunky profit out of the night.

"Four-walling" IS a fantastic way to make a living in the UK IF you have the balls to do it AND you have a show that will sell. Hypnosis is slowly starting its revival in the UK and my plan is to continue at the front of it all.

I have a passion for hypnosis BUT I also have a passion for business and earning money. In response to fees this is a very dodgy area. I know that the average going rate is around £295, however for average, bog-standard shows I'm going out at around £450 plus expenses per show. The market will stand this if you look in the right places and sell it with the correct angle. When it comes to University shows the fee will automatically double (or triple for Freshers).

I KNOW THAT THE MARKETPLACE CAN HANDLE THESE PRICES BECAUSE I'M NOW FULLY BOOKED UNTIL OCTOBER. Stuart (Photo-Wizard) has seen my diary of bookings and can confirm that this is true.

I've been doing my hypno show for 5 and a half years now (yes since I was 16) and learning it since I was 13 or 14. I still believe it has a future in modern entertainment if done correctly, which is why my show is unique and unlike any other hypnotist. The routines are different, funky and modern.

I've always, until recently, stayed out of hypnosis discussions on here. There is a lot of politics and !@#$%yness that flies around in the industry and I HATE it. Why the hell we can't get on and just have fun and earn a living is beyond me. There is more than enough work for a bunch more hypnotists in this country and, as Stuart said, people need to get up off their backsides and actively work hard to get more bookings and earn a good living.

End of my little rant. I hope that you all can see some sense in my ramblings.

If anyone is interested and can get down to Manchester on April 9th would be great to see you at my show at the Birdcage.. Tickets and details at http://www.BestNightEver.net. It's a great chance to see a modern, quirky and offensive life comedy entertainment in the UK.

Cheers,
RT
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On 2009-03-13 22:48, RobertTempleComedyHypnotist wrote:
my show is unique and unlike any other hypnotist. The routines are different, funky and modern.
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There is a lot of politics and !@#$%yness that flies around in the industry and I HATE it. Why the hell we can't get on and just have fun and earn a living is beyond me.
End of my little rant. I hope that you all can see some sense in my ramblings.


To be honest Robert no I don't see the sense in your ramblings. Other than the fact that because you're the youngest pro hypnosist in Europe that in itself forgives these same ramblings and excuses their immaturity.
I mean you can't seriously talk of how the OTHERS are the bad guys with THEIR politics and silliness whilst at the same time YOU openly claim that YOUR show is: 'unique and unlike any other hypnotist. The routines are different, funky and modern'. I suggest you look up the word: 'implication'.
But like you say, you are very young and these social skills can maybe be picked up when you're older huh?
I mean, by definition, if I go and see your show, then copy it entirely, then it's not unique any more. And you're back to being one of the herd. That's be quite depressing for some guys maybe.
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Looking at some of your clips.... I was doing similar and more creative over 20 years ago.

The clips Ive seen look like standard hypnosis routines handed down over the years.
Youve copied them from others.

Truth is EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.

And your Assiciation with Royale means you don't have much sense. He was unique...

for a clown..
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MindPunisher.. first of all.. when I say myshow is unique I'm referring SOLEY to my new, new, new show that I'm doing in Manchester on 9th April... not the footage on the Internet. My show (which I've titled Hypnotica) has never been performed in the UK before...

And, because I agree that everything has been done before let me re-phrase.. it's as unique as a hypnosis show can be.

In reply to Bobser.. I'm confused by your statement of immaturity. I'm aware that any hypnotist could see my show and steal the material. My post was simply to point out that hypnotists shouldn't be so !@#$%y, childish and ridiculous in certain areas of life. (I'm not talking about anyone involved in this thread, just something I've noticed among hypnotists in general).

As I said, I've always steered well clear of hypnotists discussions, maybe I should continue to do so. I was just trying to help you out and answer your questions.
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Thanks guys for the "lively" discussion...

Learnt quite a bit about the Hypnosis business there in UK, incredible that it looks totally different when different people speak of it...

Not that it applies in my Country, but it's interesting to know...

Thanks again... Smile
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OK Robert, forgive me. What I'm saying is that if I make a statement that says: MY shows are unique and unlike nother hypnotists it can sometimes imply that everyone else's are exactly the same. Thus ruffling a few feathers. Hope this makes sense.
Anyway, in all fairness to you I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and try and see your show. That way at least you'll have my money in your pocket!
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