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trickychaz
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I must say that I have been using them as practice cards for a while, but only recently have noticed some downfalls.

#1. They have a shiney surface and produce a reflection when the lights shine on them.

#2. They are hard to work with new out of the box.

I think I am going to switch back to Neilson, but these were what I had avaliable from my local magic dealer. They are also Retail at $12.00/deck.

Is there any recommendation for cards?

Chaz
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Have you tried red back Bee decks? This seem to be the favourite among many card manipulators.
trickychaz
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Hey James

yes red back bee's are my favorite, and have used them in the past. New bee decks are stiff, and require a ton of breaking in. I may purchase a few of them again and break them in.

Chaz
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Try breaking a few decks together. That way you have spare decks when you need them and don't have to rush breaking them when you need another deck.

Yes, I agree with you. It is troublesome but we only need to break them once, right?
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Chaz,

Same here, Chaz. I bought a deck of the PM cards and did not like them at all. I like the idea but the quality of the cards are just not there. I am like James, I like the Bees but I still use the Norm Nielson cards when my hands are tired. They work well out of the box, the finish is great and they hardly need any powdering.

David
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The murphy's is ok I think .. and you can try it.. very thin ..

but I got a lot but it doesn't have a good feel. for me ..
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The Murphy's cards are ok but unfortunately they do not last. I have tried everything and none lasted for me except the BEES. Have been using BEES for 32 years and will still be using them for the next 100 years. LOL
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I think one could make a small fortune selling brokin Bees ?

However I like the NN cards the best they hold up reasonably well and really make nice fans when brokin

Cheers

Mike
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If you read the old books, it tells you how to break in the Bees. In Arthur Buckley's book, he tells you to roll them first one side and then the other long ways to break them in. It stiffness in one way and gives flexibility in the other. I believe this tip is also in one of the Ganson books.

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I think it is a good idea to use Bees because breaking them in builds up hand strength quickly. Plus the newer "SNAP!" of the stock makes the appearances much more sudden in backpalm and perfect productions.
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I have to agree. The norm neilson cards aren't quite working for me because I feel that the bees blend in with the skin better (just in case), and the norm neilson's don't have much spring in them. It might just be me, but I find it is harder to "split" the fans with the NN decks because they are so "flabby" (i don't think that's a word)
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For me…manipulation cards are great right out of the box new and fresh but after that I don’t like them.

- They get dirty fast and end up sticking for me after few uses. My hands are on the sweaty, greasy side.

- Since they don’t last very long for me they are expensive to go through a lot of decks.

- Availability- they have to be ordered through a magic shop. Bee cards I can pick up at the grocery store next to the Grey Goose display.

- Since I am pasty white Irish boy the brown background of the manipulation cards don’t work for me. Bee back are blend much better with my skin tone.
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I have to use bee brand because I do a lot of "snap" type propulsion moves (such as Long distance spinner, Del rosso flick, McBride's perfect spinner, etc) and the manipulation brand cards are so thin that their stock doesn't have the same dynamic power as Bee stock!
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