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I understand the frustration some people are having - this didn't work for me the first few times, and I almost gave up. I'm so glad I didn't! I've closed lots of shows with this, including many for seniors.
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I made my own prop for this effect out of a piece of masonite board, using a round pizza tin as a template for the circle. I use an arbor to lock it into place in my cordless drill, and off I go. It is a sturdy and easy to manage prop.

My main purpose in any of my performances is to simply entertain, and though magic is a large part of that, it is sometimes not the main thing. I use this effect early on in my birthday shows and do it mainly like everyone has discussed it here, repeating it a couple of times and reversing the effect from growing to shrinking. The momentum of any performance is largely the responsibility of the performer, regardless of his effects or any prop malfunctions. If the effect doesn't seem to play well for someone, then perhaps it isn't the kind of thing that fits their style. I personally find card manipulations boring, yet I admire the skill that it takes to pull them off. I do a few basic moves, but never in my act. I would not attempt to make an argument that card manipulations are not worth doing for others, but they aren't for me. As far as the percentages of people who are able to see the effect is concerned, I would venture to say that 20% of an audience could be uninvolved at any given point during a show, and for a host of reasons, regardless of how perfectly executed a particular routine may be.

I enjoy this little bit, and plan on keeping it as a part of my working repertoire for a very long time. It has problems like anything else, but for me it has great entertainment value and the pros actually outweigh the cons.

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On 2008-12-19 10:44, magicgeorge wrote:
I was thinking of one of these jobbies:
http://www.grendle.co.uk/pics/handdrill.gif


just to let you know, I bought said jobbie and it works well. I will be trying the thing out tonight on an adult audience.

Thanks to Kyle et al for all their tips. It's got me wondering why it doesn't work for some. (Especially Steve!!) What's the main problem? Speed, distance or actually selling the thing to make people commit to staring at something for 30 seconds?

George

P.S.BTW I just noticed Wes Holly has a clip of himself performing it and getting a fantastic reaction in the show your vids thread)
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I do not find you have to sell it so much for them to want to stare. You just have to tell them ahead of time what they need to do and reinforce this as the disc is spinning. As it spins I am telling them to stare at the center and no where else. Focus all attention to it. don't look away. I am reinforcing what they are to do through my patter.

The most critical elements for me is distance away from the audience, consistent speed of the spinning disc and having the audience centralized and no too far on your side angles.

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Just saw the Wes Holly vid - it certainly worked for me. Carolyne watched it with me and said she couldn't see anything, but when I asked 'didn't you see his head growing' she said she thought it was a glitch on the video. When I told her that you would get the same effect live, she said I should order one immediately!!
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Wow! I'm very glad I came across this thread. I purchased this effect, but I wasn't able to get it to work on my tests with family and friends. I was always trying the effect with them being too close to the disc. I tried the effect again on myself in the mirror standing a fair distance away and it finally worked!

Thanks again to the people that mentioned the importance of the distance from the audience.
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Tried it for the first time last night. Worked very well, got a great reaction...apart from the looking at the person next to you that didn't realy work. Think they're too close.

It was a great way to start a night of entertainment. I'll be using this for stage shows in the future.

George
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Congrats George! You've found a new weapon in your entertainment arsenal! Smile

I do it three times, twice with the head growing, and then once with it shrinking (usually on a prominent member of the audience).

Here's a video of me doing it at a school fundraising show I did about a year ago. It's the second video.

http://www.brianlehr.ca/magic_videos.html

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George: It does not work for looking at the person next to you. You do not want them having to move too far from the disc to yourself. I keep the distance very close. You also want to have the distance the same. Meaning you need to be at the same distance as the disc is. Hope this helps.

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Cheers Kyle, yes afterwards I wasn't really that surprised that it didn't work on the person next to them. Someone in this thread said it did so I assume they don't do the trick and were just suggesting an idea.

I was thinking today (steady george) do you think it would add or take-away from the effect if you stuck your thumb in your mouth and puffed out your cheeks for the expansion?
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It should work as long as you stay on one spot. =)

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I mentioned that I get the audience to look at each other. For me this works!

initially, I get them to look at me (grow), then I do again (shrink) and finaly the 3rd and last time I tell them to look at each other (grow).

This is not an idea - this works (for me and my audience). A bit of trial and error should tell you what works for you and your audience.

Enjoy,

Dani
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I don't own the trick you're talking about, I remember Rudy Coby did a version on television (actually on both of his specials) where he showed the wheel for 30 seconds and then told the audience to look at their hand, and the skin looked like it was moving.

You guys are saying that the audience looking at the person next to them doesn't work, so looking at their hands wouldn't work either?
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I assume it's the portion of your vision that is occupied by the wheel is affected. Therefore a far away head or a close up hand.
I expect when it works for Dani the audience see movement in the centre of the persons head not the whole head like they would see with someone on stage.
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I seem to recall when I purchased this, it came with a silver colored spinner that works with two AAA batteries...it came as a set...the disc and the spinner.
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I still think that a trick that only works with 50% of your audience is a bad trick to perform.
There are so many tricks that work with everybody, I don't know why you would perform a trick which only has a 50/50 success rate.

I understand that the visual element is intriguing, but its not really magical. You just stand there are press a button. Hoping that the audience heard you and follow your instructions (and that the batteries in drill don't die).

It doesn't demonstrate your skill in any way, and I've seen lots of iPhones with the illusion on recently, which means its becoming quite known and when you perform a trick the client can do, it makes them think, why did I hire you?

You won't see me performing it.
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To me this works for 90% of every audience I perform it for very single time. You just have to learn how to perform it correctly and the right and proper set up. Is this an effect that shows great skill? Of course not. But my job is to entertain an audience and this entertains a LOT. It is powerful and dynamic and gets a great response every time out. I always perform this in most shows and it goes over amazingly well.

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On 2009-02-17 04:55, ku7uk3 wrote:
I still think that a trick that only works with 50% of your audience is a bad trick to perform.
There are so many tricks that work with everybody, I don't know why you would perform a trick which only has a 50/50 success rate.


I do it three times and by the second time everyone sees the effect. Then they howl with laughter and beg to see it again. Why wouldn't you want to do a trick that has that kind of reaction?
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Because when it fails that first time, you look stupid. The reaction you get the second time, of you hand looking a little messy, has never impressed me, ever. Its not magical, it just a stupid optical effect. With the head its a little more interesting, but not by much.
Some of the audience will be disturbed by whats happening, some won't even care and the rest it never even worked on.

Its also inconsistent. For some the growing works but not the shrinking, and vice versa.

Then the people it didn't work on think your a bad magician and decide that's the time to go to the bar. Losing members of your audience which in turn creates the domino effect until there are only a handful left.

Every trick I perform has to at least work for everybody. The trick doesn't have to be impressive (although it usually is), but everyone has understood what the effect was and that something magical has happened.

I don't care how well this effect plays for the few people it works on. Its the people it doesn't work on that ruin your show. I won't allow any opportunity which loses my control over the audience, and this trick is filled with them.

As for doing it three time's well that's just dragging out time, and that too will kill the pace in my show. I perform up to 90 minutes of pure magic, and any trick that works like this; kills the time that I can keep their interest.
I understand that if you do a shorter 30 minute show, then you can probably get away with 'filler' tricks like this one, because your audience don't have to stay as long. But if you want to stay on stage for long durations at a time, this trick simply doesn't cut it for me.

Steve
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See that is the thing. When I perform this, it never fails.. not even the first time. I make sure in my routine as well as set up that it works every single time whether I do it once or 3 times. It is all in making sure you understand how to perform it effectively and your routine is set up in a proper fashion. I have never had a single problem with it. I just get great reactions every time out. In fact, I will be performing it tonight.

It also works for all ages. if you are young or old, it still works just as well. This is why I do it at festival shows cause hearing 500+ people react at the same time is a really great way to get the festival client noticing.

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