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On 2009-01-07 22:38, Pete Biro wrote:
Here's a nice item:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4jBX6BddWQ&feature=related


Yes she is! And the rope trick wasn't bad either! Smile

Thanks Pete and Ian for sharing your advice and moves with us. The simplicity makes it so *** strong!
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On 2009-01-07 09:58, yachanin wrote:
I can watch the video, but get no sound. Even so, thanks Pete!

Regards, Steve

Steve always has trouble with technology...mostly the stuff I post to him. At least I know some people can view it. Pete sings!


Hi Ian,

Yes. Unfortunately it's one of the disadvantages of using a Mac... sometimes the codex used is not available for Mac :-( I really would have liked to hear Pete sing, too Smile

Regards, Steve
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Jingle Bells is about as far as I go... and maybe Happy Birthday... Smile
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On 2009-01-07 22:38, Pete Biro wrote:
Here's a nice item:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4jBX6BddWQ&feature=related

I always liked that premise. It's pretty and easy to do. I just prefer audience interaction. I was just discussing this with Dmann http://www.precisionmagicman.com/ and we were working on a release of this very same effect. I didn't know it was already marketed. Or is that the Mongolian Linking Ropes? I never had a set.
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Clean, easy, and does exactly what is needed. Absolutely fantastic, and thanks so much for sharing.

By the way, my version of the video did NOT have an Irish ditty. Oh where can I hear the Irish ditty??? Smile
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Looks like you have a Guiness... what else do you want? Smile
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Pete:

Sincere thanks!

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On 2009-01-05 16:58, Pete Biro wrote:
You know, thinking a bit more... I think from now on when anyone asks for advice, I'm going to say, "Look in Tarbell".

That will work for a lot of stuff, but Tarbell has some curious limitations. For example, you won't learn standard cups and balls moves there. I think he went for the "unusual" in a lot of stuff and he may also have been displaying some biases toward what he liked to perform. It's amazing, though, how much magic I see uses principles that are described somewhere in Tarbell. Since he created his own drawings, there is not often the case where the drawing is misleading. I can only think of one case concerning a coin and handkerchief trick where I think the wrong drawing was printed.
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I used your move tonight Pete and combined that with some elements from fiber optics...it really entertained the audience (and it blew them away). Thank you for sharing
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dan Tong do the same move as Mr. Biro for his PN?
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On 2009-01-11 06:57, yin_howe wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dan Tong do the same move as Mr. Biro for his PN?

95% chance that Tong got it from someone else.

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On 2009-01-11 06:57, yin_howe wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dan Tong do the same move as Mr. Biro for his PN?

95% chance that Tong got it from someone else.

In Tong's dvd, he says he got the move from a young fellow on a cruise ship in 1973 and doesn't remember his name. It is the identical move. Tong has only been lecturing since the 70's and that move predates him by 25 years. Tong says in the lecture, "If I am not mistaken, it is Slydini's method".
The rest of Tong's routine is pure Whit Haydn (without giving the attribute.)
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Thank you..such a fabulous move!! While playing with it, I notice this move also can be used to set up the William Tell knot..
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Yes, that is in manuscripts as well.
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I had completely forgotten the William Tell bit... hah.
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The only moves in my routine that are original to me are the tossing out of both knots and the final display of the restored rope. The Alberti Count is from Gene "The Great" Alberti, the cut into Prof's Nightmare is from the Cut and Restored Turban, and the Pop Knot was taught me by Ed Mishell and is very old.

The basic outline of the routine which I created in 1968 predates me by a long time.

I added a line of patter and a through line that justified all the actions and segments so that it wasn't just a series of rope tricks strung together.

I didn't like the method of putting the three ropes back together that I had learned, because it left you holding two pieces of rope between the thumb and finger in an awkward and potentially unsafe way. When the knots just "disappeared" my spectators (I was a street performer in NYC) would want to grab the rope.

I decided to use the pop off knot and steal an extra knot from my pocket so that the spectators would dive for the knots and attention is taken away from the rope.

By tying a good solid knot to the medium and long ropes, I never had to worry about losing the connection in my display, and developed a very effective display to show the entire rope restored. This natural and relaxed display, and the knots on the ground completely took the audiences attention away from the rope, and no one ever asked to examine the rope again.

Later I added my rope switch which enabled me to leave the "restored rope" on the ground for anyone to pick up and examine. I also did a switch for the key ring in my linking ring routine so that at the end of the performance, people could ask to examine the rings and the rope without problems.

The idea for the rope switch, the idea of tossing out both knots by stealing a second knot, and the display are mine. The presentational concept was mine.

Everything else, including the basic structure of the routine, was old in the late Sixties as far as I know. I haven't seen Danny Tong's routine, but I doubt that he owed any of it to me. My routine was not really familiar among magicians until 1972 or '73, and then mostly among the guys from NC, VA and Tenn.

BTW, School for Scoundrels is shooting the new teaching DVD of Pop Haydn's "The Mongolian Pop-Knot" next week and it should be back on the market soon.
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My comment was, that Tong did not create the effect, as his material is from the 70's and I knew yours and the other stuff predated that.
I still love your routine teach-in at the castle.
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I understand. Thanks. I just didn't want to be given credit for stuff I didn't create--I like to keep the record clear, and I appreciate your concern for the same thing. I am a fan of your work.

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I have been watching this thread with interest, wondering if anyone besides myself recognizes Ted Collins' ACTUAL Panama Rope cut in what Pete is demonstrating... NOT the move that is described in Tarbell, but the one that Ted actually used himself, and taught to those of us who were his students. Ted also collaborated with Ed Mishell, who illustrated some of Ted's books and manuscripts, and that may be where Ed picked it up. I learned it from Ted in the late 50's, and I always assumed from his stories that it was something he invented while he was stationed in Panama (hence the name) as a serviceman, putting it back to the forties. The only part that Ted did differently from Pete was to pick up the hanging rope end and place it next to the "center loop" and the other end, so he could show the rope from both sides, back and front, in a very convincing way that made you swear he was cutting the rope in half even if you were standing right next to him.
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I knew Ted and his son Fred too. I once lectured at Mecca Magic shop in Jersey. After the lecture Ted and I spent some long hours going over rope, mostly his Panama rope routine, which I carried in my shop. I didn't remember that handling, having only read the manuscript which was BC (before computers).
If you see it before you learn it, the "moves" are not what you are watching. You never notice the pickup, only the restore. Ted and I met in the late 70's, his son did some of his effects. Some how, not seeing it on video, you can forget what you saw live.

Posted: Jan 18, 2009 3:30pm
Pete and I had this discussion a while back, and I hadn't noticed...but Edernac did the move in his act way back when.
I posted this link before, but noticed a lot more moves the second time around.

http://www.magischewelt.de/Edernac-Rope.mov
Here is a picture of him today at 89.
http://odbitka.org/view/a/1194288437/12118798900197
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He still looks great... and what a clean and solid routine.
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