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korttihai_82
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This one has been bothering me for some time now. I have done silk to egg for a long time the usual way.

Poke silk into the hand, it changes into egg and the silk is in the pocket?!??!

WHY!?!?!? isn't the routine supposed to be a transformation of silk to egg and not Egg appears and silk vanishes from the hand and goes to the pocket. Only real reason I find is few jokes that are possible with 2 silks and also that most methods use taking the other silk from the pocket to do the dirty work.

That said however, there is lots of methods where you don't need other silk, like using just TT like I do. I don't lose anything by ditching the other silk. I just make the routine easier to follow and more straight forward.

Any thoughts on this? I have rarely seen other magicians perform this so I might be missing something. Only one that comes to mind is actually Whit Haydn who does masterful job with his version, but if I remember correctly, the reason for his second silk is in the method as well.

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One reason is to allow you to make it part of a routine instead of an isolated trick. It is perfect for the transition from trick to trick used in a magic routine.

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Another reason is that it was originally done as a transposition of an egg and a handkerchief. It was called Kling Klang and you can find the effect described in several old books on magic. It is rarely seen today
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For decades I have performed it where the silk turns to a real egg but the missing silk reappears between the two silks in a 20th Century Silk.

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Transformation vrs transposition vrs impossible penetration
One must decide as to what the object is perceived to be doing.
If you transform the silk to the egg then you do not break the egg. If you have penetrated the silk into the egg and it has transformed into the yolk, then you break the egg to either show the transformation or show that the egg is real.
If you reveal the real egg where a silk had been, then you can find the silk tied in a 20th century silk or anywhere, or even where an egg had been.
That could from an egg bag effect that allows the egg to vanish and have a silk in its place, then vanish the silk in the hand to find the egg again and find the silk in the 20th century effect. One could continue with an egg vase. Or a dove/chick pan to produce the dove from cracked egg. Or silk to dove.
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In my routine, the silk is placed into a hand, and then revealed to be an egg, and the silk has traveled into the pocket. This is basically Rice's Sucker Silk to Egg routine.

There are a number of reasons for using this approach. It gives you a logical motivation for going to the pocket and it is a bit of a throwoff, in that it distracts from the immediate impression that the silk just "goes into" the egg, and prolongs the mystery.

The thumbtip method is nice, but it requires you to use a smaller silk. With my 19th century frock costume, small silks are dwarfed. I often play on large stages, as well, and a small silk just won't play very well.

I use a full 24" silk, and a jumbo egg, and it plays well even on very large stages. I have performed this routine at the Ford-Anson Amphitheater in Hollywood, and in front of as many as 8000 people and it plays very well.

Here is a video of my Silk to Egg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoUc3UCWs30
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In the original post I also meant sucker silk to egg routine where the routine is supposedly teached and the egg is cracked in the end. There was been some very good points on this thread and I thank you all for those.

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There is a version of silk to egg where only one silk is used and there is no s***** of an egg. See Rice's books.

I have used it at a Ring meeting before and it threw everybody off.

But I would agree with Whit and the others the two silk method has many advantages over a one silk version.
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For years I did a one silk routine that came straight out of Tarbell. I then switched to a two silk routine I found in "The Encyclopedia of Silk Magic" (the same routine that Whit uses). Neither routine uses a TT, so a bigger silk can be used in either routine. However, the one silk routine still required me to go to my pocket, ostensibly for a "magic key."

IMO, that made for a far weaker routine than the two silk routine I do now.
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In the one silk version from Rice that I was talking about I came up with a logical method for the ditch. Have your glass that you are going to break the egg with in your drop/load box, thus the glass is out of sight and you just reach down and ditch the silk and pick up the glass.


The two drawbacks in this version is the size of the silk and you cannot do the part which most magicians use - holding the silk with the egg hanging from it.
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I just use the same silk twice. After I tip the gaffed egg I switch for the other one in my pocket by saying "watch I'll do it again" Never had a problem or have to worry about any fancy moves.
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What is great about the Rice routine is that the egg never seems to leave the sight of the audience at all.

They see your thumb in the fake egg, the egg hanging from the silk, and then the egg is simply dropped into the other hand.

In that visual 1/2 second, the eggs are switched in a Bobo switch.

It makes the breaking of the egg much, much stronger and harder to reconstruct than in other versions in which the egg is returned to the pocket for example, or where the egg is not convincingly shown to be hollow.
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However, if done with lots of story and comedy, most will not even remember you went into your pocket. I actually do it together with a spectator in a do as I do type comedy effect which always goes over well.

If I am doing a kid's show and the children are young, then I generally stick to just myself doing the effect.
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Viking's routine which is a hybrid of Rice, Tarbell and Haenchen, uses two 18 inch silks.

The resin egg looks very real, too, and is easy to manipulate.

Overall a good solid routine that is E-Z to do!

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Using two silks is not rare. However, it is also possible to use three!

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On 2009-01-12 15:48, revmike wrote:
However, if done with lots of story and comedy, most will not even remember you went into your pocket. I actually do it together with a spectator in a do as I do type comedy effect which always goes over well.

If I am doing a kid's show and the children are young, then I generally stick to just myself doing the effect.


If done with too much story and comedy, most will not even remember what the trick was about. This seems to me a very straight-forward trick, and one should keep its presentation straight-forward.

Beware of complicating it too much. The more direct and inconceivable the switch, the stronger the overall effect. It is important that people can't even imagine when you could have done the switch.
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Whit:

You are right on the money, my man!

Whit, I love your magic and have for many years, my friend!

And for my 2 cents worth, the "Sucker" Silk to Egg Trick, is a pretty darn-near PERFECT gem of stage and platform magic that plays way BIG for almost all audiences just about anywhere.

I don't play to audiences of 8,000 people, so for my platform and stage shows, I use the Viking Silk to Egg, Deluxe Version.

The Viking egg is really well-made and has a great, kind of "hefty" feel to it, and Viking's DeLuxe Version silk to egg comes complete with 2 nice 18" red silks, 2 "holes", the egg, of course, and a great routine.

The included routine is a classic, and it's basically Viking's take on the Stodare Silk to Egg from Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic.

Great routine and highly reccomended. You can't go wrong with this Viking version of Silk to Egg (for performing to audiences of UNDER 8,000 <smile>).

Having said that, I think there's a bigger and more important message here for true lovers of the art of performing Magic:

That message is about MASTERING OF THE ART OF THE SWITCH.

When you do a switch well, whether it's this particular Silk to Egg Trick, or it's Tamariz's Card Silk Routine, or Bobo's Coin Switch, or any other of numerous switches done in magic routines, and use proper misdirection and timing, the kicker which results absolutely destroys audiences.

In my opinion, Juan Tamariz is pretty much THE MAN when it comes to the psychology and choreography of switching.

Gosh, it's fun being a magician, isn't it?
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It is strange that with $20,000 worth of props on stage, after the show, the first questions are about the $.10 egg.

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In the 60's I saw an old-timer change the small silk into the egg, which was then set aside on the table to 'incubate' in the magic aura. Later he picke dup the egg and cracked to reveal a 24' silk grown to full size -- and useable in other effects. I was fecinated becasue I thought the small silk was 'fakey' and unnatural. So, I have occasionally reversed that switch effect. I have the small silk necessary for the silk-to-egg inside a Pull. After using a larger silk in some effect I poke it into my hand for an apparent vanish, then reveal that it hadn't gone any where, switching the large silk for the smaller. This is undetectable as a ball in the hand. Then I try agains and wind up with the egg. I shrug and do a Cup effect with the egg, having switched the gaffed egg for a foam one. Later I switch that for real one for the 'break' -- often accidental after my Cup & Ball effect with the sponge egg -- after all, I have a convenient Cup. I've always want to apparently save the shells, and later do an Egg on Fan, but have never had the opportunity. Of course, that egg could be chnaged back into a large silk.
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I do the effect out of Tarbell and I have always wondered the same thing. In Tarbell's method, it is necessary, but it could be avoided.
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