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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts |
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On 2009-01-08 07:14, Card-Shark wrote: What Card-Shark said. Robert |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Robert, is the back design not Bicycle? I don't know where Protea is a company that produces their brand/back design or a company that produces their brand w/Bicycle back design.
Excuse my ignorance.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
It's not a Bicycle back design but very close. They aren't the exact Bicycle designs due to obvious reasons but they pass fine as Bicycles (this is from my handling of the cards from the Trilogy effect).
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Thanks for your reply.
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Peel the backs and faces and glue them together? lol
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MagicTobe Loyal user 259 Posts |
Absolut decks are thin but way too expensive especially if you just get them for keeping them in a wallet.
Aviators are extremely cheap, widely available and are thin. |
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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts |
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magicman50 New user 13 Posts |
In a Phil deck there are about 80 cards but the thickness of a regular deck. they also come in what they call a Blank deck that has no names printed on both sides but as far as width and length they are the same size as pocker cards
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Just to make it clearer: here is the back design of a Protea Deck, the (Blank) Phil Deck uses the same backs and faces, just thinner material. The card stock of a (blank) Phil Deck is the same that is used for the manipulation cards that you can get from Murphys and handles the same.
I also use the Kolossal Killer effect in my wallet and my normal Bicycle cards do not add much thickness to it. It is thick already!! My main problem is that the wallet bends the cards after a while and they really look bad so that I have to replace them from time to time. Thinner cards will be even worse!!! So be sure that you really want that as Blank Phil Decks are much more expensive than Bicycle Decks. Click here to view attached image.
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
A friend of mine have been doing the kolossal killer for some years now and he uses a manipulation deck. The wallet is a small bifold wallet with enough pockets to accomodate the necessary cards.
It looks like a normal wallet, no bulky stuff. Noone has ever guessed the MO. Buy a manipulation deck, it is perfect for the trick. By the way, is there manipulation decks with bicycle backs available? Mikael Johansson Sweden
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Card-Shark, thanks for the picture.
Mikael, I had asked this question some time ago. Apparently there are no manipulation cards with the Bicycle back design.
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
Oh, bummer.
On the other side I don't think that pulling out a card with e.g. Norm Nielsens back will diminish the trick. I once saw Tony Binarelli perform a similar trick in Sweden . He did a veeery long and slow and sleepinducing card selection process (granted, english is not his first language) where different members of the audience chose color, suit, value etc from an invisible deck to arrive at a random card. Then mr Binarelli said that he found a card on the street the other day and he kept it in his wallet. He took out his wallet and rummaged around in it for quite some time before taking out one card. The random card. When he explained it, he was very proud over his "ingenious" method of using a manipulation deck, a complete one in the wallet. In my opinion the first thing a layperson would think after witnessing this effect - it was performed as a stage effect - would be the obvious "he must have a whole deck in that thing". They don't see that the wallet is thinner than it would have been with a whole deck in it. The kolossal killer on the other hand is performed close up. You can be very open when you display the wallet, open it and stick the tip of your finger in the pocket and slide out one card and one card only. Nothing in the appearence of the wallet could give a clue to the M.O. I don't perform it myself but I have seen my friend kill with it. If this is consider exposure I hope that the moderators will delete the post. Mikael Johansson Sweden
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Gilgamesh_The_Librarian Elite user 408 Posts |
Just a concern; if you use super thin cards then the spectator is not going to be able to hold them as this may give the game away. So your routine will need to be spectator "hands off". Don't do KK so I don't know whether that is too problematic.
By the way, 52 Phil cards measure out at 1.1 cm thick. Hope that helps. |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
How would two 'thin' decks look stacked? Do you think you could sell that off as a deck of 52 cards? Or is 80 the limit? Does anybody use a "thin" or "manipulaton" deck for a straight-forward prediction? My thought is this: As you search through the deck to pull out their freely named card you'd have easy access to a duplicate that could be palmed or put into mercury card fold, etc . Sort of like a card index right out in the open. Wih careful handling it could even be a duplicate with a different colored back. With a limit of 80 you'd have about a 4 in 5 chance of success. If you prefaced the trick with "nothing obvious like the Ace of Spades or the Queen of Hearts" you could pretty safely eliminate 16 cards right there. So that gets us down to 88. Could you pass off 88 manipulation cards at 52?
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
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On 2009-01-18 15:17, Gilgamesh_The_Librarian wrote: Phil cards. No doubt.
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
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Could you pass off 88 manipulation cards at 52? I guess that Might work. However, using cards for folds and such would get expensive in very short time. I guess it would be easier to take two decks and split them so that both had 2 of the same cards and use either force at beginning to get into cards you have avaible or just bring out the deck after the card is named like Close does often. J-M |
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Leo-Kim Veteran user 359 Posts |
The manip deck my friend uses was from japan and have a beepattern back.
As I understand it (i don't do the effect either) the reaction is so strong that the checking of the cards is a non-issue. Noone ever asks to do it, and if they should I don't believe that they would say "wow, that's a thin card " since they don't have any normal card to compare it with. Mikael Johansson Sweden
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Two complete thin decks look like a deck that is made out of plastic. These decks are usually a little bit thicker.
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M for Magic Special user 673 Posts |
Just a thought.
I have picked up plastic decks from dollars stores that have a back pattern somewhat close to a Bicycle design and are extremely thin. Oh - and they cost a dollar a pack! |
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uhrenschmied Regular user 135 Posts |
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On 2009-01-13 13:44, Leo-Kim wrote: I beg to differ. One of the points of KK is that it is not possible to have the whole deck in the wallet. Using everyday cards like Bycicles implicates that. There is also no need to let the spectator examine the card since it looks like any ordinary playing card. Using thin cards, or any uncommon playing card, will diminish the effect. Regards, |
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