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I would really be glad to have opinions of owners of this CDRom regarding the famous Subconscious Analysis and Reprogramming technique.
Do you use it in magic routines ? Is it something you can develop ?
Thanks !
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Hi. I heard that its been around before and that this is a revised edition.
Surely there must be someone who can tell us more....

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The Subconscious Analysis and Reprogramming System is awesome. I love SARS and I hope you all get it! Smile
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I was thinking of purchasing it a long time ago when it was with a special discount package in a KK site. I don't know if it is still exists now.
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I believe the new version is different only in that registered users will have their names listed on an SAR website.

SAR is a great way to give readings in a scientific context. I like the system. Actual psychological principles are used, and the approach is nearly foolproof.

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SARS looks to me like just another rehash of NLP.
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Does this system set you up as a 'reader' from scratch?

In that I mean does it provide ALL you need to know to set up a 'legitimate business'?

It does seem so from the advert.

Interested

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Ive not tried it yet. But I wouldn't say it was a rehash of NLP. My first impressions of it are like most of Kenton's stuff, way over hyped.

Also you give away a lot of sheets that are supposed to do the work for you. Which makes me wonder why anyone would send someone else to you. I mean they could do the readings themselves just using the sheets.

The ability to create changes in clients seems way over exaggerated to me. However the outs using words that psychlogists, scientists use seem very useful.

I got my CD second hand. I think the price asked for it new is far to high.
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I don't believe that the sheets "do the work for you." To use the system effectively there has to be an element of interpretation beyond merely reciting definitions like one might read a horoscope out of the newspaper for a friend.

I was one of the original SAR purchasers and will say that the system is unique, novel, commercial, and well thought out. Having said that, I will also say that I do not like the vast majority of material Kenton puts out. I did find the SAR system to be worth that which I paid for it, when one factors the commercial value I have received from using the system.

While I do not usually put a lot of faith in systems that claim to change behavior, I will say that SAR is predicated on legitamate research on the meaning/power of symbols and some interesting readings have resulted therefrom.

As to "behavior change," note that many times after reading a client you can give them the opportunity to redraw their submission focusing on changes they would like to make in their life. Without telling them the meaning of all symbols available to them, it is amazing how often they will choose those which accurately reflect their stated and desired changes.

By placing their new drawings in visible locations it is not unreasonable to believe that those symbols will act as a "trigger" to remind them that they desire change and encourage it. This of course is no different than someone placing a motivational quote beside their bathroom mirror.

If you are a reader looking for an interesting system to make yourself more versatile in the marketplace, SAR is an excellent investment.
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I disagree--way over-hyped.

It's over-priced and something that you can put together yourself for a fraction of the cost.

Put together yourself some personality tests by doing research at the bookstore or on-line.

If, like myself, you work in a more corporate arena where readings are inappropriate--then do something along the lines of what I do--which is graphology.

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By the discussions on this topic it seems that SAR is definately geared toward a specific performer, possibly doing a specific service, as opposed to entertainment in the form of mentalism. Am I correct in this assumption?

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Well if I were to have a table at say a Health fair and was promoting NLP breakthrough's and coaching I would feel comfortable using it as a quick tool to give away details of other services...
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I sell SAR to corporate events all the time as it is more "safe" in their eyes that tarot cards or other spiritually charged methods. Doodle analysis and graphology are basically different sides of the same coin. SAR is interesting to many corporate bookers because its novel, whereas graphology has been done before.

Yes, one could go out and put this together themselves, but until Kenton, nobody did. I have not seen the concept of doodle analysis addressed so thoroughly in print before, and to pay for the right to use that concept is reasonable.

It's always easy to take someone else's creative output and recreate it cheaply when one need not put in the hours of work yourself. Could you research other personaility tests and have something similar? Of course, but if you want to do SAR per se, the right thing is to go through Kenton.

It is a tool for readers not 'mentalists.' I learned it for a show I was doing for graphic designers. They loved it. That one show more than paid for my investment in the system (which I knew the work on prior to purchase, but felt the right thing to do was to pay the creator for his labors). I have since used it dozens of times and have trained others to use it for me. In each case the SAR readings are commented on with greater interest than any other psychic readers I might choose to book at a given event.
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Could you be more specific on the kind of effect you did with it ?
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Can I ask what sort of psychological models (or research, as mentioned above) SAR is based on?

I'm interested in an "entertainment only" reading method myself (and am trying to develop one based on the widely accepted "big 5" psychological traits). I'd be interested to know if SAR can help with this.

My concern is that some of Kenton's work definitely falls into the camp of pseudoscience. Sounds convincing, has some basis in research, but actually has not had its efficacy properly tested and has probably no more than placebo value. I'd like my readings to be more based in reality (what I mean by this is not that the reading would be anything more than a bit of fun; but that if a sitter went off and followed up some of the concepts mentioned they would be headed towards reputable therapies, not towards "questionable" areas (e.g. towards CBT rather than Freud).

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CardFan,

The SAR sytem is for readings, not "effects."

Ian,

I'm the first person to be skeptical when someone claims almost anything psychological is "hard science." But their have been studies one the nature of colors and symbolism. While these studies, in my experience, are anything from hard science, they can be found in journals of advertising psychology and applied psychology.

When I was in school I used to haunt that secton of the library, but cannot give you chapter and verse. BUT, if someone were to research the elements that go into SAR they would find similar thoughts in a wide variety of sources, some more scientific than others.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks Truthteller - to be honest I din't even know that SAR focused primarily on symbolism and colours. It seems as if the SAR concepts are at a tangent to what I'm looking for (more links into mainstream psychological models), so I'll go elsewhere. Sounds interesting though - symbolism is a subject I've not looked into at all so have a completely open (and blank!) mind on.

Rgds,

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Ian

If you're interested in a more mainstream psychological approaches have you used any of the Myers Briggs material? I find this an interesting approach, particularly when coupled to the NLP metaprogrammes.

"The Art of Speedreading People" by Tieger et al is an interesting book on how to quickly read peoples MB type indicator which you can then link to typical behaviours and attitudes. It can give you quite a powerful reading.

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Yes sorry I ask my question in a wrong manner, what I meant was "what did you achieved with this method", I was looking for some kind of more specific examples (without revealing anything of course ;-)). This general discussion is really great but I would like to read, let's say: a testimony of what you guys did with the SAR to an audience.
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Inner Thoughts anyone?

SAR is not a toy.

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