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Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
I personally love those which hand is the coin in effects. I think they are great and very cheeky. (depending on presentation style) I would like to know what kind of reaction you performers get from this type of effect. It can be from the relic, cp1,2 or3. or any method you choose. What do spectators usually say. The reason I ask is because I really like this type of effect (its my favorite) but I notice even after one time people don't want to keep going. I get the vibe that a lot of people feel like if you find the coin they are the dumb one. Nothing about my performance is insulting, or challanging, but I must be missing something. And even if I go a few rounds with someone their reaction isn't that great, like its not very impressive? HELP! I love this effect but I don't feel this one is working for me. any stories of your own.
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Roth Inner circle The 18 5090 Posts |
I do the Relic with 3 people. I hand it to one and let them decide who keeps it (while my back is turned of course).
Then I eliminate them one by one and then go in for the heads or tails finale. |
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
I do this regularly in my closeup act, I guess four times in a row. I think the trick here is to engage everyone and, definitely, put money on it, as this makes the effect far more compelling. I use the "reading body language" angle and there is so much mileage for humour here as you explain to everyone the kinds of things your particpant is doing to give it away. I also ensure each stage is different.
My routine is as follows: First time: I explain THEY will give away where it is, but I don't say what I'm specifically looking for. Second time: I put money on now that I will get the next three right or they win the money. I explain that in the previous round the nose gave it away and joke this time that they will be conscious of their nose. Third time: Lie detector, they say "no" both times when I ask where the coin is, I reveal the lie. Fourth time: I explain that last time will be a physical tell as I move one arm up and one down (ie they will resist more with the arm that contains the coin" A well scripted routine is essential here. My routine is approx 6 minutes. The reactions I get are great, it is firmly one of my favourite effects to perform. Regard Andrew |
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Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
What kind of reaction does that usually generate?
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Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
What method do you use mesaboggie
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
Midas, thus I get them to use THEIR coin. I've been using it for over 4 years now.
Regards Andrew |
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts |
There is a method published by William Larson that allows you too do this with an imaginary object or coin, but I have found this is only really suitable for close up casual performance because of the method used. Combine this with a p**k, and you could not only tell them which hand they are thinking of, but also what is in their hand. Although it takes a while to get used to the method.. this is by far the strongest version of the effect I have performed. No gimmicks required.
I'm not sure if you can still get hold of Larsons book, but I think the method was also published in the Body Magic book. Andy
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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Gabor Veteran user Pécel, Hungary 367 Posts |
How about doing it the other way? The spectator has to guess which hand holds the coin? This way they won't feel dumb.
"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Steven Wright
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bond19 Inner circle Blackpool, England 1338 Posts |
What's cp1,2 or 3??
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skc417 Loyal user australia 226 Posts |
CP = Child's Play
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1130 Posts |
Check out Charles Gaucci's ideas on this.
Al Straker
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bond19 Inner circle Blackpool, England 1338 Posts |
Thanks skc417.. do you know where I can learn more about Child's Play??
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gabelson Inner circle conscientious observer 2136 Posts |
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Christian & Katalina Elite user 407 Posts |
Mr. Crebar,
The effect “Money Sense”, (which hand is the coin in) is more difficult than it appears. Although the method is now relatively easy to execute, the presentation can stifle it. It can quickly disintegrate into a performer challenges the spectator contest of where is the object. This usually happens because the premise is weaker than the overt feeling of the performer always knowing which hand I put the object in. If the spectator is more concerned with how you know where the object is rather than the reason you know where the object is, then they will focus their energies on trying to figure it out or trip you up. On its surface it is a 50/50 chance, not all that impressive. We, as performers, overcome this in one of two ways. One, do it only once but create a massive dramatic tension so that if you fail, it will be really, really bad. Or Perform the operation numerous times showing that you always know where it is. Both of these presentations will take a great deal of thought and script writing. What does the object mean? (What is its inherent value to the effect, if any?) How are you able to know which hand it is in? Why do you need to show them this? What are the consequences if you are wrong? Is this a story about a past event or a demonstration of your or other powers? Other than being a prop, what is the purpose of the participant? What is the use of knowing which hand it is in? What is the purpose of this piece in your show? When you answer these questions you will be able to more aptly control how the audience will experience this effect. A few months back, a thread was started about the times when a spectator will place the object in neither hand. I shared my thoughts with Psychic Samurai on this conundrum. If you perform this enough or set up your premise that is challenging to the spectator, this will happen. It usually happens on the third phase. The problem with Money Sense is that the method (at least today) is very simple to execute so many performers cloak the effect in a very thin premise that does not hold up to the impact of the repeated correct deductions of the performer. This puts more emphasis on figuring out what is going on method wise over enjoying the presentation. A very good example of a strong presentation of this effect was Jason Alexander’s act where the audience was equally interested in how the story would turn out as much as how Jason was able to deduce the location of the object.
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Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
Thanks for the comments "christian and Katalina" I am curious if you have a link to Jason Alexanders act?
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Patrick Redford Inner circle Michigan 1751 Posts |
While I think stories certainly may and can enhance any given effect, they can also distract from the simplicity of some. "Which Hand?" is one of those for me. I did a corporate party last night and after my main stage performance folks generally come up after to chat. Which Hand, Prevaricator, and a few other impromptu pieces are pieces I tend to save for these situations.
When I perform Which Hand I don't use a gimmick. I primarily use a combination of pet methods combined with those discovered by Ben Blau. Of course I don't give away what I'm looking for (There are a series of six tells that I tend to cycle between and half of them are almost always exhibited by a subject). Folks want to play this game. The game by itself is interesting. I find that once I run just one trial with a person, someone else watching always wants me to do it with them. People are naturally interested in tells and seeing if they can figure out what they're doing that's giving the game away. Last night, after the show there were about 20 people around me that had slowly gathered watching the impromptu after show. I was just about to head out from the venue and a woman who saw the performance heard about the game and insisted that I try it with her. I agreed. I of course was correct after one trial and she insisted on another. I agreed under the condition that if I was right, I'd say my goodnights. After nailing it, the small crowed reacted strongly with a huge round of applause and I said my goodbye. |
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Patrick Redford Inner circle Michigan 1751 Posts |
The small crowd also reacted strongly ----!
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
I have seen the Psychic Samurai absolutely kill with this effect.
But I don't really think what he does can be taught. D |
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Jerskin Inner circle 2496 Posts |
Derren Brown's routine is great.
GrEg oTtO
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Patrick Redford Inner circle Michigan 1751 Posts |
It can be taught!
I'll be teaching a "master class" at the South Tynside Magic Fest in Newcastle this March. Everyone who leaves the room will leave with the ability to do this legitimately. -Patrick |
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