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VernonOnCoins
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Just ask yourself...what would Tamariz do?

End of boredom
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It's easy to know what Juan would do. What's difficult is to understand how he would script it and how we can adapt what he would have done to our personality: this is what he is lecturing about worldwide.
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My coin work is done usually during a pre show.

This is while the crowd is gathering. It helps me connect and check out possible volunteers. It is also used when I book a walk around prior to a stage event.

If the performer can connect emotionally with his audience, through script, memory, sights, sounds and smells the vehicle could be coins, or sometimes in my case a puppet, harmonica or ukulele.

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On 2009-11-24 13:48, Harris wrote:
If the performer can connect emotionally with his audience, through script, memory, sights, sounds and smells the vehicle could be coins, or sometimes in my case a puppet, harmonica or ukulele.


Right on! When you meet a stranger who comes from where you must go, you would liek to make a connection. Performace magic might work, but so will a story a song or just listening. As entertainers we make all sorts of assumptions about what the audeince wants or needs and make few attempts to find out. I think a lot of performers prefer stage magic becasue it is safe -- you can assume anyone buying a ticket is there to see some magic. I'm not so sure about a table of unknown victims.
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Personally when the time is right for magic, I like to start off with a short, one coin routine. When finishing with the coin penetrating the pants pocket, additional coins can be secured and produced segueing into a coins across, matrix with cards, or another routine with other props. Maybe changing the coin into another object like a ring (ring on string,ring on rubberband etc.). This short one coin routine allows plenty of flexability and interest building developement. Thereby if the spectators show interest, more magic can easily follow.

I`ve had, and probably some of you, spectators say ( some reason it`s usually one of the females) " I want to see some magic with real money!" (Meaning of course folding money). So to be prepared for that statement I usually have some folded money in the other pocket, for my latest mindblower; extreme burn type trick or turning bill size blank paper, newspaper, money saving coupons into real folding money.

So,no all the coin magic is not necessary for me personally, but all of it can give many practioners of this art a lot to choose from, and quickly gains interest for their routines. I love to watch our masters of this artform at work. It` a beautiful thing to watch (As Michael Ammar says), for other magicians and laymen alike.

So with that I`d like to wish all A HAPPY THANKSGIVING! (And hope no one has any "turkey tricks" that show up during your performances).

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I must agree with funsway here, yes coin magic is necessary. It is a way into the soul, beyond the guard out front through all the winding passages to the realm of the smile.

Oftentimes I use coin magic to say hello with no need to utter a word, I just tap them together and people respond. Of all my effects, and all of them are fun to do for others, in passing I have done the MB Transpo the most. It is inviting and mysterious, it is impossible but happens anyway in my hands right before their very eyes. People remember me by the magic in the coins, and that for those moments I released a smile from deep within them that might not have otherwise ever escaped.

Yes it's necessary.
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Listening...Funsway...mentioned something that I still am working on...

As another friend told me...

I have 2 ears and only 1 mouth...Listen MORE!
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I don't care even of people hate my coin act I'm married to coins for life.I agree with the fact that coins have much less stuff than the other props but a single good and clean coin act is worth hundred card tricks to me(not talking 'bout my finishing tricks).My mentor does the miser's dream in his big shows and coins through the table,4 coins to the glass in close ups .I don't see other acts bring that much excitement or tension. when performed well.(He's a world class performer and his other stuff are great too.)
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A goblet or goblet can add sound and class to a coin routine. Especially to a class performer. (just remember the cl)

Harris ...

: )

with tongue near my cheek...
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LOL!! Just re-read this post, upset some people here, my coins are still my trusty side kick and I am starting to get pretty *** proficient with them these days.. LOVING THE COINS PEOPLE!!
Don't hate a magician on his journey.. Smile I just like stirring the pot so that I can elicit genuine responses, that way they come from inside someones heart and have meaning. To a productive 2011!!
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"Is all this coin magic necessary?"

For me............YES!
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On 2011-02-03 07:36, K_B_G wrote:
LOL!! Just re-read this post, upset some people here, my coins are still my trusty side kick and I am starting to get pretty *** proficient with them these days.. LOVING THE COINS PEOPLE!!
Don't hate a magician on his journey.. Smile I just like stirring the pot so that I can elicit genuine responses, that way they come from inside someones heart and have meaning. To a productive 2011!!


that's pretty funny. You're a clever guy. You understood straight away that the only way to get honest answers in this forum is to upset people. Brilliant.
So have your views changed or are they just as ridiculous as they were 2 years ago? (don't take that wrong. I'm just trying to stir you up so I get an honest answer Smile honest Smile
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K_B_G,

Great Epiphany, Dude!

There is a place for coins. Just like cards and other props, don't make it all the same, or specs will think you are limited in you talent as a magician.

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In my opinion, coin magic appears to be the most impromptu and "innocent" of magic. It seems to have no suspicious boxes, coverings or tricky mirrors, and the fact you can carry the things naturally in your pocket, and perform without preperation on the spot, adds to it's appeal to me.

Everyone eyes cards with suspicion in the hands of a magician, but everyone has a natural affinty for coins. We all love money and what it represents. We tend to view coins are being legally protected from chicanery. "Do not fold or mutilate" and all of that. Surely money is just money!

Coins have that pleasing solidarity that cards lack. They jingle merrily when with their fellows, rather like gossipy people. This adds to the feeling for the audience that it's impossible to have a lot of them hidden away on you.

They are shiny and circular and familiar.

All of these things add to the charm of coin magic.

The original thread poster said a couple of things I actually sort of agree with. He claimed that a magician really only needs five great coin routines.

I think this is not so very far from the truth. It's better for a coin magician to be able to pick out the five most wonderful and fitting routines for himself, and polish them until they become actual magic, than it is to perform two hundred sloppy coin tricks in more or less the right way.

Coin magic is probably the most difficult branch of the art, so the above does apply. Coin magicians are sort of the kung-fu monks of the medium, working tirelessley to perfect a few hard to master slieghts until they become second nature and can be done effortlessly, perfectly.

For me, anyways, coin magic is an art of simplicity and beauty. What we are trying to do requires a certain amount of light touch- grace, if you will, and endless practice to master just a few mindblowing effect.

Less is more with coin stuff. We often overdo it, performing too much way too fast.

Coin magic is inherantly an intimate experiance. You are handling little, everyday objects and performing seeming miracles with them. Miracles should at least SEEM rare, so I like to personally be discerning with how many of 'em go by at any one time.

So, addressing the thread title, I agree that "all" the coin magic might not be neccesary.

However, great coin magic, in the hands of someone who has mastered his art and has the taste and good judgement about unleashing it on lucky spectators, is among the most astounding magic that there is, for this guy.
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*** well said!!!
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Sums it up perfectly Smile
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Hare you have summed up beautifully what I have come to appreciate and love about coin magic.. you have to stick it out through the rough training period, but eventually the poetry in motion starts to flow..
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I owe my attitude about coin magic to Master Magic writer Henry Hay, (June Barrows Mussey). While there are many coin books that have more coin effects, there is none better written from a teaching perspective. Hay's AMATEUR MAGICIAN'S HANDBOOK started me on my magical coin trek, and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have read him first, and avoided the shortcuts and pitfalls and general "do this then do that" approach that majority of coin magic books offer.

I highly reccomend that book for magicians of ALL skill levels, and anything that sounded wise and sagey about my words, I am sure, derived from my virtual memorization of the coin chapters in Hay's mighty little Handbook.
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I'm sorry but I feel the exact same way as the poster. Only I feel this about cards, how many ways can you find a selected card, predict a card, or have a card rise to the top of the deck? There I've named the three card routines out there!!! How Boring...

Ok on a genuine level I've seen some really good card magic out there and though 90% of the card magic out there falls into one of the above mentioned effects there is still some amazing stuff being done. Likewise with coins, you may think there is only a few good plots, but it is ALL about presentation and how skilled a performer you are. How you interact with an audience and draw them in. As an example I give you the Ghost Key. A really good trick/illusion in the right hands (not mine). I cant fool anyone with this trick!!! I must be missing something or some flare in the performance of this trick but I've seen other magicians draw people in and KILL with this simple effect. I can however draw people in with the change in their own pocket, and make them believe that a serious "supernatural" event must have just happened. Most Magicians get really good at performing with the type of magic that affected them the most when they were still "Laymen" themselves and you form opinions based on your preferences. If you are open minded you will see that laymen and Laywomen will react most to what the magician is best at with their presentation. If you are truly good at and enthusiastic with your coin work if will come through to your audience and the wonder will be there, but if you are performing something you feel to be boring then that will also come across. My advice is if you truly feel coin magic to be boring then Please don't perform it, instead perform what you are passionate about and be a better magician for it. I Like coins a lot more than I like cards, but I'm not going to try to down-play the art of card magic because it's not my "bag of tea". I know that in the right hands card magic Kills, Just as I know that in the right hands Coin Magic Kills.

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I can understand how many effects seem the same to audiences. To the layman a coin vanish/reappearing some where else is the same as a transportation, or even a transposition.

However coins with a prop seem to add variety, using a silk, glass, cards, or okito box can make a routine seem more magical and memorable. Whereas magicians like the bare handed stuff because it seems more impossible.

Variety is the spice...
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