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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts 
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After reading about TRMCW here at the Café and examining the the ad-copy on RFA Productions website, I decided to try a couple of them. I got them from Penguin Magic (my first order from them) in less than 3 full days. That was with FREE postage, but I did have to pay a bit of California State Sales Tax. It still came out cheaper than buying them directly from RFA Productions.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1595 I am as pleased as is possible in buying any magical equipment. The build quality is extremely good. The overall "wedge-like" shape makes them glide easily into any pocket when full of the proper amount of coins. They fit exactly 4 half dollars or silver dollars with a 5th held-out in the secret place. I haven't been able to get the secret place to give up that coin by squeezing the sides of the coin wallet (as mentioned in the ad-copy and instructions), but it sure does thumb out easily enough and directly into the classic finger-palm position. I see a lot of potential for this. I'll be using it in my small coin routine this next weekend, so I have a week to practice. Any complaints about this coin wallet are pretty much erroneous in my opinion. They hold 4 coins perfectly (as mentioned in the instructions, and in the sizes most of us use, 1/2 and whole dollar coins) and with a 5th in the gimmicked area, everything is perfect. I don't have any sets of coins that are more than 5 pieces, so these little coin wallets are perfect for my needs. I've got a few Onosaka coin purses (1 medium and 4 smalls), 2 O'Connell Coin Tidies, and some big clasp type coin purses from eBay (Cheap!!!, for bulk storage of un-gaffed coins. When I work, I'll be using the TRMCWs only. I can't recommend them more highly. They are no-nonsense pieces of gear that do just what I need them to do, hold coins elegantly/efficiently and aid my performance instead of hindering it. Score: 10 out of 10 and an extra point for the well thought out gimmick, for a total of 11 out of 10 final score. I'll order a couple more of them when I get my Penguin Cups and Balls order in next week. dsalley13 |
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Mr. Ray Loyal user 234 Posts
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I think the size is the problem.. in two ways: The first one is, mine fits only 3 dollars and the secret place (if you can call it that way), and the spectators always ask where did I buy this little thing and what it is.. If I say it's a wallet and I would do trick's involving a wallet, I'm surry they will figure out that the wallet is gimmicked... But I'm glad that you enjoy it!
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts
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On 2009-01-18 04:29, Ben Lejmi wrote: Maybe they've increased the size on the latest Real Man's Coin Wallets? Both of mine (purchased this last week) fit 4 (+1) silver dollars or halves easily. I just load the gimmicked area first, then place 4 coins in the pleated accordion folds of the main compartment with no problem. If I'm using a shell in the gimmicked area I put it in hollow side up for easier withdrawal. Again, no problem at all either loading it or getting the coins out. I dump out the coins, steal the shell (or whatever), toss the coin wallet down on the table (or pocket it and steal even more items) and carry on with the effect. PM with your e-mail addy and I will send you a couple of pix. dsalley13 |
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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On 2009-01-18 14:50, dsalley13 wrote: Do any of your coins touch each other? How many dividers are in your wallet? I only see one divider which would then only let you load 2 coins inside and 1 outside.
Douglas Lippert
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts
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The Real Man's Coin Wallet's interior has accordion-like folds. Both main compartments are separated and each compartment is split into 2 by the accordion folds. The coins touch only at the bottom and you can inhibit that by placing the coins in the wallet carefully.
You could easily squeeze 6 coins into the main compartments (3 coins in each, maybe even 4)), but don't do that. This coin wallet was designed for 4 coins total in the main compartments and one in the secret place (which is only secret if you handle and present the coin wallet carefully, never letting the spec. see the back of the wallet. I give these wallets my highest recommendation. Coin sets are usually 3-5 coins and this wallet holds that many coins extremely well. I think they are as close to perfect as it ever gets, at least they are for me. If you buy $100.00+ gaffed coin sets they deserve to be protected and carried this well. These wallets are relatively cheap. Buy one, you can't go wrong. Make sure you give it a day or two to mold itself to the particular coins you put in it. The longer the better. After a few days, the wallet seems to have been made for whatever specific set of coins you put into it. This break-in period seems to make the wallets coin set specific. Nothing else will fit as well as the set you initially use. dsalley13 PS: Shells over individual coins still count as one coin. I have a Magnetic Copper Silver set in one of these wallets. I tucked an expanded English penny shell and a stock English penny in the secret place. After several days, it is now the permanent home for this set. I appears to have been made for this set. That's how well the break-in/self-molding time works. |
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Doomo Inner circle 2381 Posts
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The wallet has two compartments internally and a single concealed compartment on the back. It was designed quite simply to hold a couple of coin effects. If you are working professionally, you are probably not carrying around a half dozen or more different sets of gaffed coins. I designed this after talking to quite a few people who do this for a living.
The biggest complaint I hear is that it doesn't hold enough coin sets... If you want to carry lots of coins... Use a sock. This is probably NOT for you.
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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The best coin holders in my opinion are JOL coin tidys. They feel nice, look nice and fit between 1 to 6 coins comfortably and safe in a small package.
The Real Man's Coin Wallet's design is fine but the leather is low quality and hard. Also, I can only fit 2 coins inside and 1 outside which is being exposed on the outside (big no,no). I acquired 3 free from an online dealer and so I keep extra coins and inexpensive gaffs in there. My Morgan Dollar un-gaffed coins I keep in a Case Logic Media Card Holder that keeps them safe in a zipper compartment and belt loop. When I get my Lassen coin gaffs they will be kept in a JOL coin tidy. Best, Doug L.
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1251 Posts
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On 2009-01-18 04:29, Mr. Ray wrote: How much attention are you calling to the purse? I have carried an Onasaka purse for 19 years with 6 Walking Liberty Half dollars and a Real Man Coin Wallet for the last 2 with my Kohler U3F. I have never had anyone ask about the purse. What's more, I actually openly call attention to the Real Man Coin Wallet when doing U3F. I open the wallet and dump the 3 coins out into 3 specs hands for examination showing the wallet empty. As I close the flap, I slide the gimmick out into finger palm. (In all honesty, this wallet is the ultimate wallet to carry this trick in). I just can't believe that people continuously ask about the wallet. As for the leather, think of it as you would any wallet. Carry it in your pocket every day for a few weeks and it softens up pretty quickly. I have heard the same thing about card to wallets. Upon opening the package, everyone thinks a wallet is too stiff or too hard, but within weeks of riding in your back pocket, it is extremely soft and flexible. Just my thoughts. I love both. Every day whether I am in a suit or shorts, the Onasaka purse rides in my right pants pocket and the RMCW rides in my left. It holds 3 dollars and a shell perfectly fine. And the hold out pocket delivers the shell perfectly into finger palm. |
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jimmyj Veteran user 343 Posts
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Hello All,
I use my RMCW for the same idea as Michael, but instead of 3 fly, I use it for my coins across, with a split coin. I have 4 WL's in the purse and a split coin in the holdout. I dump out all 4 WL's for the specs to examine. While they're looking at the coins, I let the Split Coin slide into LH Finger Palm. I'll take one of the coins back while they're looking at the other 3 and do a shuttle pass to switch in the gaff. Put the hidden coin and purse away and you've switched in your gaff and you're ready to go. 4 coins. All examined. The purse hold all 5 coins nicely and I don't have a problem getting the coin from the holdout into my hand. I may buy another for my 3 fly. Thanks Mike. Jim |
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mballen11502 Loyal user Memphis, TN 202 Posts
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The JOL coin tidies are nice but they really don't hold 6 coins. There are 6 slots but try putting Morgans in there. I can get 4 morgans in and still comfortably snap the wallet shut but more than that, and it's way too tight. I've got a couple of Tony's wallets on the way and will probably start carrying one daily because of the ease in getting a gaff into play...
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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On 2009-01-25 17:26, mballen11502 wrote: You are right. I'm starting to like Case Logic media card holder better than JOL for that reason. Case Logic holds 6 coins without any touching, with a zipper and belt loop. The only thing is that JOL looks the classiest of the bunch. The leather on Real Man's isn't very good. (just my opinion as I own many leather wallets, etc.) Though the outside pocket to pull off a sh*** is slick... Best, Doug L.
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Doomo Inner circle 2381 Posts
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On 2009-01-26 02:28, DVLKCC wrote: You know Doug, you say several things. You want the JOL for your Lassen coins. But even Lassen reccomends mine over the JOL. You dislike the leather quality of mine... But I use real leather... NOT split. Yes, mine ARE stiffer... Because I use a heavier grade of leather simply because I want the things to last a bit longer. If I charged more as Mr. Lassen suggested, perhaps people would be more accepting.
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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Mr. Ray Loyal user 234 Posts
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I don't call any attention to the purse. Do you have small purses there in america? we have big ones and usually not leather. I think that might be the reason that they are calling attention to it
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Mr. Ray Loyal user 234 Posts
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Also there are not many magicians here and the only one they know is Criss Angel. So they're usual line is "I've never seen one like that before can I take a look at it" or "that looks weird, where did you buy it, can I try it"
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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On 2009-01-24 20:32, Doomo wrote: When are you coming out with the "Real Man's Sock"?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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On 2009-01-26 06:55, Doomo wrote: A man can change his opinion. FYI, I have these items from you : Pocket Space, Hip Pocket Mullica, Triple Threat, and 2 Real Man's Coin wallets. I bought Pocket Space off your website. So, it's not like I don't support you. Quote:
On 2009-01-26 06:55, Doomo wrote: Lassen recommends yours because one person did not want a JOL coin tidy for his custom coins because he thought there was "oxidation". Also, Todd had one coin oxidize but that could be anything and not necessarily the JOL coin tidy. The drawback to your coin wallet is the fact that it can only hold 2 coins "safely" inside and one shell on the outside "not so safe" from scratches, etc. due to the design. Like I said Mr. Miller, the shell unload is very slick. Quote:
Doomo wrote: If you were to craft a leather coin wallet with more inside pockets I would buy it at a premium. No doubt. The leather on your coin wallet is very stiff and would protect any ['s from damage. But, right now the leather Case Logic media card holder is what I recommend to every coin guy. It has 6 deep compartments (3 on each side), a zipper to close it up, outside is leather, and a belt loop. If you don't have one, check out your local wal-mart to see if you like it. Best, Doug Lippert
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts
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The leather on RM's is stiff initially but after a while it softens up where it should (as with any good quality leather product, very nice expensive leather wallets are mostly EXTREMELY stiff). If your comparing leather quality the JOLs would be on the bottom of the list as it uses very common leather which is not the best (it's decent). The Onasakas would be number one followed by the RM. I'm not sure what your concerns are in regards to the coins touching, Onasaka purses is one of the most elegant and most preferred methods of coin transport and they are more widely used compared to BOTH the RM and JOL yet they have only one pocket. As long as your shells are over a coin and you don't have too much give (or too tight), your coins will be fine and without fear even if they are touching each other. The thing with JOLs I find that are not great is that coins do tend to oxidize much more when compared to the RM and the Onasakas. While the Case Logics are well organized, pocket space is a bigger concern in which the Onasaka, JOL, and RM are better at.
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Doomo Inner circle 2381 Posts
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Doug, I apologize if I came on too strong... The biggest complaint I get from ppl about the coin wallet is that it does not hold dozens of coins. Of course, it was NEVER meant to.
I was approached by a couple of serious coin guys to make a wallet that comfortably held one coin effect like 4 silver dollar sized coins and a way to secretly hold out a coin or shell. They were both very happy with the results. It is a specific purpose designed product. It was never meant to hold a coin collection. It was made to allow a specific coin effect to be contained and stored safely and practically for a professional performer. To be honest, most of my products are not really designed for the hobbyist. I make them at the request of professionals for professional working conditions. And when I release them to the public, I don't tend to be as understanding as I probably should. Anthony Miller Once again, I do apologize.
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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On 2009-01-26 14:35, kissdadookie wrote: Case Logics can hold a minimum of 6 Morgan Silver Dollars with none of them touching, and in a small package. I would say if you have pocket space issues get Case Logic. I have never experienced oxidation with JOL coin tidies. It might be a reaction between your skin Ph level and the metal. In regards to leather, I like the feel of the material to be supple and not hard. I don't care how long it lasts- I can buy another. Just my preference. Quote:
On 2009-01-26 15:27, Doomo wrote: My complaint isn't in the fact that I can't carry every coin in it. I would like to carry U3F without the coins touching and that is not possible. That and the leather is too stiff for my tastes. I know you say you wanted the coin purse to last but I would just buy many soft leather RMCW's at once in case you don't make them anymore. Quote:
It is a specific purpose designed product. It was never meant to hold a coin collection. It was made to allow a specific coin effect to be contained and stored safely and practically for a professional performer. What specific coin effect are you talking about? There is no mention of it in the instructions. Quote:
To be honest, most of my products are not really designed for the hobbyist. I bet that amateurs/hobbyist are buying most of your magic. A few professionals won't provide you as much income as a couple hundred amateurs might. To no one in particular: Some of us place 'professional' magicians on a pedestal like they are more worthy and their opinion is superior to everyone else. Elitism in magic sucks. Whose to say that only professionals are serious about magic? Best, Doug L.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts
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I'm not sure how often you use your coins Doug, I own a couple of JOL coin purses and tidys and I know many others who do as well, for relatively clean coins, the oxidation is obvious, particularly on the copper coins. Worn silvers that have dark patinas are much harder to tell as they already exhibit heavy oxidation. Even Todd will acknowledge that the JOLs will oxidize your coins. Caselogic cases also have the possibility of oxidizing your coins as they are fabric lined (fabric linings tend to oxidize, quality leather is much better, truthfully, pure clear plastic is the best, does not oxidize at all, Caselogic have some of them that are basically clear plastic sleeves, those work out pretty well but again, the JOL, RM, and Onasaka purses are way smaller in comparison to the memory card wallets, hanging things off the belt doing strolling just looks tacky, I don't even hang my phone on my belt when doing strolling, personal preference of course).
Just to comment, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Mr. Miller there, he was apologizing and just explaining his actions so there's no misunderstanding. Don't get offended when you're told something is not for you. It's your money, if you want it, buy it, if you don't, then don't. No point getting upset over things like that. Again, your money so spend it as you will. |
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