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Hypnotized a guy in a pub last week with a stutter he wanted to get rid of. To cut a long story short he still had the stutter unfortunately but he BELIEVED he was totally cured. Kept thanking me all night (seriously).
My question is simple. Does anyone in here have any success stories with stutterers? And might I have more success if I re-hypnotise the same guy?
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Well therapy practice in a pub sounds about right.

Seriously bobser hypnosis won't cure anything. Its just one tool. You need a lot more than that.

And to even think about doing it in a pub is what gives hypnosis a bad name.

Why don't you hypnotize yourself to believe you've cured him. Then you can both be happy.
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Apologies for the naive question, but why does doing hypnosis in a pub necessarily "give it a bad name"?

I'd have thought hypnosis had a pretty uneven reputation at the best of times - the word seems to mean a lot of different things to different people, most of it very misguided. I don't see why hypnosis in a pub should not clarify and elevate it. Hypnotherapy in a pub is a different matter - obviously you shouldn't be trying to address deep-seated neuroses while surrounded by drunks, but what harm would a simple hypnosis demonstration do? What's a little arm catelepsy between friends?

Anyway, as I understand it there are definitions of hypnosis which would suggest hypnosis in pubs is commonplace. Are you sure that guy frowning at the pool table isn't in a trance? What about the man in the corner lost in reverie as an old song is played? And why has the barmaid developed a negative hallucination where I'm concerned?

Sorry bob - I realise this tangent doesn't help you at all. Apologies if I should have started a new thread to ask about this. I'll be very interested to hear about any successes with stutterers though. If you did re-hypnotise him - how would you approach it? How can you address a problem someone isn't aware of? Surely that makes it very difficult...
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I have had partial and full success treating stutterers. Most often these people have had lots of well intentioned speech therapy encouraging them to think before they speak. It seems to me they think about what they are going to say too much anyway. Trying to avoid certain sounds is hard work. So I encourage them to speak without thinking. Amongst other things of course.

Doing what you did Bob is likely to reduce his anxiety about stuttering. If any of it is exacerbated by anxiety then that could be of benefit.

A classic stage routine is to induce a stutter. Not that I do it.

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>>>>>Apologies for the naive question, but why does doing hypnosis in a pub necessarily "give it a bad name"? <<<<

Doing therapy in a pub?

If you have to ask that question then theres no point giving you an answer.

>>>>Anyway, as I understand it there are definitions of hypnosis which would suggest hypnosis in pubs is commonplace. Are you sure that guy frowning at the pool table isn't in a trance? What about the man in the corner lost in reverie as an old song is played? And why has the barmaid developed a negative hallucination where I'm concerned? <<<<

This is a joke right?
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I have video set somewhere with Gil Boyne treating a stutterer.

I don't know if he cures it but he sure slaps the poor guy about. I thought it was hilarious.
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Mindpunisher - thanks for your response. In my post I was attempting to make a disinction between hypnosis and hypnotherapy, and suggesting that the former was more appropriate to an informal context than the latter. Apologies if I was unclear, however I think if you re-read my post you'll see I was not asking if therapy should be conducted in a pub; I fully acknowledge that such an idea is dangerous and irresponsible. That said, I think there's an interesting debate to be had on how to define "therapy" in this context.

When someone asks 'is this a joke' on an internet forum it's difficult to guage tone. I would have thought it was obvious I was being deliberately flippant in the sentence you quote, but also that I was doing so to make a point. Again, I apologise if I was unclear. The general point was about everyday examples of hypnotic phenomena - Overdurf and Silverthorn discuss it quite interestingly in 'Training Trances' I think. I would be happy to elaborate but I'm not sure what I did to elicit such a curt response in the first place.
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Ok I realise its not easy on here: And I didn't mean to be so "curt".

Sure "everyday hypnosis" is a label used by a percentage of hypnotists who subscribe to that school of thought. It doesn'treally exist to members of the public so it has no relevance in regards to this really. By the way I subscribe to that school of thought.

Hypnosis in general will and does get a bad name by irresponsable demonstration inappropriate "venues".

If someone read a book on motor mechanics told you he was a motor mechanic then offered to fix your car. Would you allow him to? I would hope not. I just had that experience when I thought someone was a proper mechanic. It caused me a whole lot of grief. But that's another story.

But playing around in a pub with "therapy" is really irresponsable (in my opinion). You don't know what is going on inside someone's head. If you are asking how to treat someone on a magic forum you shouldn't be doing therapy full stop.

I don't know what else to say. I find it incredible that anything needs to be said.
I should've thought that would be obvious.

But I don't want to get into an argument its sunny outside. Lets all love each other.
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Yes let's. I don't think I disagree with anything you're saying, I was just asking some questions to see what people thought. Thanks for your input.
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... stick around Hostile18, you'll find most people in here disagree with mindpunisher on a very regular basis.
Anyway, try to imagine the scene: 8 people in a pub. All know each other (including the barman). One guy with a stutter says: "Do you think hypnosis would help my stutter?" The other guy (hypnotist) says "I dunno." The guy with the stutter, egged on by the others, says "Well I'm up for it, can we give it a Go?"
But the hypnotist looks around, shudders, then says to the stutterer: I'm sorry but playing about in a pub with therapy is really irresponsible. I don't know what's going on in your head. In fact to even think of doing it in a pub is what gives hypnosis a bad name (ALL MINDPUNISHER'S DIRECT QUOTES I BELIEVE)".
At this point I truly believe the others think the 'would be' hypnotist is simply... crap. What do you think?
And there y'go. Anthony HAS cured a stutterer with hypnosis. I wonder what minpunisher thinks about that?
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>>>>>The other guy (hypnotist) says "I dunno." The guy with the stutter, egged on by the others, says "Well I'm up for it, can we give it a Go?" <<<

I have no doubt hypnosis will help some stutterers just by relaxing them

If Anthony has helped someone great. Although cure is a strong word.
that's no the point. The point is the pubs is the wrong place. If your serious arrange to do it properly.

Just something we will never agree on.But I'm no gonna fall out with you.

I used to get asked frequently to hypnotise people in public places. I can't think of a crapper place. Apart from that Ild rather have a few pints that's what the pub is for.

So have you no got round to doing some gigs yet? Or do you only do stutteres?

If you want attention do some shows...
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>>>>The other guy (hypnotist) says "I dunno." The guy with the stutter, egged on by the others, says "Well I'm up for it, can we give it a Go?" <<<<

Egged on by others? Right and he spent the rest of the night thanking you because he thought you cured his stutter.

Im sure you all had a good laugh. that's a great example of therapy.
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You need to chill out MP. Life isn't like the way you think it is. It's something else. We're all actually having fun out there. You could too, but you WILL have to change. Remember, if you think you can you can. I'm gonna take you out sometime, get you a few drinks, spend a couple hours hypnotising regular folks in pubs, clubs and public toilets. You'll have a blast. You haven't lived till you've stuck a stranger's hand to a damp urinal.
Thanks for the info dmcraig.
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I think in America hypnosis is getting a FAR worse reputation by people who claim to cure cancer, and do all sorts of idiotic things they can not do.

The stage guys in this country actually seem more legit than the curative process guys. Pretty sad really.
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On 2009-01-26 18:10, bobser wrote:
You need to chill out MP. Life isn't like the way you think it is. It's something else. We're all actually having fun out there. You could too, but you WILL have to change. Remember, if you think you can you can. I'm gonna take you out sometime, get you a few drinks, spend a couple hours hypnotising regular folks in pubs, clubs and public toilets. You'll have a blast. You haven't lived till you've stuck a stranger's hand to a damp urinal.
Thanks for the info dmcraig.


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Very true
But then its not the way you think it is either. Ive done my share of silly things with hypnosis. But I did most of them while I was still at school! I guess hypnosis isn't high in the media at the moment here at this time. But if it was the world you think your in would change. On a serious note though - if your serious about trying to help someone. The pub isn't the place. I can only assume your not serious...When I first started doing stage work. I had a mate who had areally serious stutter that really affected him. He asked me if I could cure it. I couldn't imagine messing about in a pub with people watching. And yet I did some really over the top shows.

And what makes you think I haven't had fun? Maybe Ive just been doing it for so long its more like work to me. Novelty wore off a long time ago.

>>>>>You haven't lived till you've stuck a stranger's hand to a damp urinal.<<<<<

I'ld rather just have a **** to be honest...


I think the kind of "hypnotists" Danny talks about fall into another catagory. I don't think its the hypnosis that's the problem. Its the quakery or con.

From what I have seen on TV about healers, hypnotists and channelers in the US I can believe that the stage guys come out the best.

Did anyone cath the Louie theroux series?
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Yeah Louie rocks.

Danny, for the sake of philosophical argument, it could be postulated that belief in hyponosis, or anything else for that matter, could have a dramatic effect on one's chances of surviving. I do believe many doctors believe this to be the case.
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I do know doctors accept that hypnosis speeds up recovery from surgery etc.

Many years ago one of the students of a therapy course I was on went on to work with a group of doctors. He worked in a hospital and with their patients. They were that impressed they went on the course themselves and stopped employing the other guy.

Typical
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Uh, Danny, who--specifically, in the U.S. is claiming to use hypnosis to cure cancer? Since you say that hypnosis is getting a bad reputation from "people" who are doing this, and since there are many hundreds of professional hypnotherapists out there, I'm sure you could come up with a mere five names.

Thanks in advance.
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On 2009-01-27 05:08, bobser wrote:
Yeah Louie rocks.

Danny, for the sake of philosophical argument, it could be postulated that belief in hyponosis, or anything else for that matter, could have a dramatic effect on one's chances of surviving. I do believe many doctors believe this to be the case.


I agree, it is just like the placebo effect, people blieve they are getting the real pill, and they feel better. Whatever the persons belief is, it could have an effect on their survuval.
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