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alfonsoler New user Leipzig, Germany 25 Posts |
Hi!
I'm sorry that my first topic asks more than gives. It's about Slydini's sponge ball routine. I've not see any topic in the forum dedicated to it, so I open this topic specially for this particulas routine. I don't know much about sponge balls. I have had the chance of reading The Encyclopaedia of Sponge Ball Magic by F. GarcÃa two times, but I didn't pass from dissapearings, so I'm in basics. I would like to know if this is a problem which affects to the mean problem I've got with this routine: palming the balls when I ask spectator "are you kidding?/ you did'nt see anything?". I hope you know where I am (I use the spanish edition of Slydini's anotated..., by Páginas Ed.). Ganson wrote that the balls must be, more or less, 5 cm. (i do not know the equivalence in ") but, when I practice in front of the mirror, the ball is absolutely visible. I palm it like classic coin palm. My only solution was change this balls, and use others with a 3cm. diameter. But, looking at book's pictures, I see that Slydini uses big balls and he doesn't seems like having very big hands. ¿What is my problem? ¿Handling, balls size,...? Another thing I would like to know is what do you think about mini sponge pieces end. It is a good climax? And, at the end, anyone does this routine as Slydini teach? What have you changed? What do you think about it? Thank you for reading me. Alfonso. |
Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
Try it with the smaller sponges and once you think you have the basics behind what the movement should look like stop practicing in the mirror and instead record yourself on video. This will keep you from staring at your hands at the moment the sleight actually happen and you'll be able to see it from an audience perspective. You can also get a better idea of what angles to cover this way to prevent you from flashing.
Mini sponge pieces are okay but a lot of that work was written before Goshman had his sponge empire and was producing mini sponge balls, they have a cleaner look that most magicians preffer. I've done a mini sponge ball climax and always got good reactions. I've never done Slydini's routine move for move, I found a few others that worked better for me and I switched it around to fit me. Eddie
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alfonsoler New user Leipzig, Germany 25 Posts |
Thank you.
I do practice with a mirror in frot of me, and I try to put my camcorder in places where could represent espectator's point of view (this last thing is difficult, due to I have not much space in my room). But here is another thing: This routine needs espectator's help in several times... How to imitate this in a test? Because of this, I've thought that this kind of routine (like paperballs over the head) must be practiced in public... because if not, you can't do everything before presenting it. Obviously, every secret pass has to be dominated before, but the all secuence is difficult. O no? About mini sponge balls, yes, I have some of them, and I'm using them. They're not super-soft, but they are sponge balls at all. Thank you for your advices. I'll try to record me in other places than my room. DO you think it is better a nearby plane or a distant one? I know two together is better, but, separetly, what do you think? Thank you! |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
The impprtanat thing is to learn a good, simple false transfer. Roy Benson's way is the best. I wouldn't classic palm, but finger palm is more natural. If you could see a video of Goshman it would show you how you must BELIEVE the ball has been put into the other hand.
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alfonsoler New user Leipzig, Germany 25 Posts |
I reached a demo video of Goshman's purse routine. I'll see how he works there. Thank you. And, where can I find Roy Benson's movement? Probably in an american book, but here in Madrid magicians have got one great Library, so probably I'am able to find it. If you could give me the bibliographical reference I would be grateful for it to you.
The classic palm is more about one moment of the routine in which you must charge a ball from lap, and I do not see another possibility. This is the problem of balls size. Thank you so much! |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
You're in Madrid... wow... find Rafael Benatar, he lives there and can be of great assistance.
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Hier is a video of the benson routine (sort of / this is not roy benson but you can see his vanish of the ball)
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=xonZoodldbI |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
On the Slydini's sponge ball routine (which he was actually calling the purse frame routine to avoid tipping the surprising apparition of the sponges), you should know that when Tony published his routine he had not released his Imp-Pass which only came out with Encores. Wanting to keep secrets to fool other magicians, he didn't even release it in the Karl Fulves double volume The Magic of Slydini and More. Its use only appears in the Annotated Magic of Slydini and Tony was using it around the end of the routine.
Check it out in the book, it's very interesting. Now the best descriptions of how Tony's misdirection was structured can be found in the Karl Fulves book The Magic Of Slydini and more and in Slydini Master Of Misdirection (Barlotta's book which is available as e-book at Lybrary.com).
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Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
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On 2009-01-24 10:50, alfonsoler wrote: Do it as close to you as possible. It's close up magic and you need to see it from the exact point your audience would. Keep re-recording until you get to the point where you fool yourself. As far as not having a hand to practice on that will come with actual performing experience, get the vanishes down first. If you really need to keep the balls that are supposed to be in a hand out of the way find something to put it under, like a pillow or even a heavy cup or mug. Eddie
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alfonsoler New user Leipzig, Germany 25 Posts |
Wow... thank you every one. Now, I've got no time, because I am in epoch of examinations of the university, but when I have ended I will put on it. This routine, as every Slydini's routine, needs so many time, as you know, so I will nor able to show you my progress too soon, but I will show you it.
Pete B., I would like to be able to go S.E.I. (Spanish Society of Illusionism) in Madrid, and contact with magicians but I can't... University demands me every hour. But I'm going to try, sure. Robert, the "hier" made me laugh. I'm studying deutsch I like so much videos from the guy you linked me in youtube. Very good movements. I found this book in the Madrid's Library: "Roy Benson by Starlight" (Levent and Todd Karr). When I go, I will watch to it (what an english... People of this forum could understand me better if I was talking in Japanese...). Dankeschön! Lawrence: I do not know Lybrary.com. I have put it in my fauvorites, so I can consult it later. Thank you so much, and thank you for your historical information. And Eddie, thank you again. This is not closed. I'll show you my handling within... two months? Or one, I don't know. But still be here. If anyone has more to say, please, come on (variants, improvements, strategies,...). See you/ Nos vemos/ Auf wiedersehen! (oder wiederschreiben ) Alfonso. |
Michael Bilkis Special user 728 Posts |
I have always finished my formal close up routine with sponge balls. I end it with the production of many small balls in the spectators hands. It is a great way to end the routine.
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Macphail Regular user 166 Posts |
I'm just wondering if anyone does Slydini's sponge ball routine as it is described in Ganson. Anyone?
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