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I have always wanted a parrot ever since I was 5 years old and saw Dave Womach produce one. It was one of my most precious memories. My parents said when I was 5 that I could get one when I was older because I was too young then and was too big of a responsibility for me to handle, I have had permission from my parents to get one for the last year and a half, and I have just been doing research on them and finding out where I could get them. I finally found a place which is around my area. I have seen the birds in the cages, but I never knew they were parrot breeders. I have talked to them about all that is needed. They said the bird was going to be $1500, and I was thinking because they build outside/inside aviaries that I could get them to build one. They said they will give me a call when the birds lay eggs.

I am asking for any final thoughts or what I should look into. I was looking at Womach's bird training videos. Any remarks on those?

I know it will be like having a 3 year old for the rest of my life, and I know they require A LOT of attending and am prepared to do just that.

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What type of parrot are you talking about? And yes, Womach's DVDs are great.
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I am talking a blue and gold macaw.

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You know, there are many parrot owners that get tired of the loud birds. If you're lucky, you might find a "free to good home" bird. I don't know where to tell you to search, but it's just a thought.

IMHO, Womach's videos are essential for owning a parrot.
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You may also want to try kijiji.ca There is a blue gold on sale in my area. You should be able to find cages for a good price, as well.
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I do look for them, but I would want one as a baby so that it grows up around me. Cages, I am always searching for, and I will look at Kijiji.

Thank you very much. Also, does anyone know of some tricks that involve a parrot? I know of the "Parrot from Sketchpad" and parrot harnesses, but is there any other stuff? I would be looking for stuff that wouldn't put stress on the bird or put him in a position that he doesn't like.

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Mike,

Keep in mind that if you buy a macaw, you will not be able to produce it easily.
For "Parrot From Sketchpad," the tail of this bird is too long.
Rich Hill has a very beautiful "Doves to Parrot" illusion.
A nice trick to teach is for your bird to pick a card...that you will find back, of course (featured on the Womach DVDs).
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Hi Mike,
I posted this in another part of this same forum, but I agree with Papillon, you really don't want to start off with a macaw. Too many obstacles for you to overcome, especially with no big bird experience. I have 5 - 2 macaws, an Amazon, a Sulphur-Crested Cockatoo and a Congo African Grey. The Grey is the best talker hands down; the Amazon will sing, dance and talk; but it's the Sulphur-Crested Cockatoo that gets most of the attention behind the macaws.
There are also Moluccan and Umbrella Cockatoos, but I'd recommend the Sulphur-Crested (yellow crest) because they are very independent, and the other cockatoos are what we call "Velcro birds" and screamers. They have to be with you or on you 28 hours a day. Not sure about you, but I don't have that kind of time to give them.
The Sulphur-Crested can be produced from just about anything, and they are the class clowns.
I would recommend getting one from a rescue because you're only talking $300-$500 for the parrot instead of the $1500 - $2000......
There are parrot rescues all over the place because people have no idea just how big a commitment they really are. You actually have to cook fruits and vegetables for them along with a high pelleted diet...NO SEED...
If you have any more questions, just post 'em.
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Thank you...I have decided to consider a cockatoo and am now looking for one. Any help finding one would be great (sulphur-crested).

I do eventually want to get a macaw, as I love birds and exotic animals. I love the show Beretta, even though it's not in my time. I know a guy named Stan Kramien who worked with that bird. Can I still do the things off of Womach's DVDs with a cockatoo?

How much do they usually cost? And I found a caging website...what do you think? http://www.cagesbydesign.com/Store/

Now, what do you mean by "no seed"? I see cockatoo seed in stores all the time...is it not good for them?

Thank you soooooo much for your help.

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Mike,
Seeds are high in fat, which can cause a variety of health problems for your bird. So it's better to feed them a quality pellet food, which is supplemented with fruits and veggies. Just like in humans, high-fat foods should be left as an occasional treat or reward.
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Thank you. Does that apply for doves, too?

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On 2009-02-09 23:03, MagicMichealMan wrote:
Thank you...I have decided to consider a cockatoo and am now looking for one. Any help finding one would be great (sulphur-crested).

I do eventually want to get a macaw, as I love birds and exotic animals. I love the show Beretta, even though it's not in my time. I know a guy named Stan Kramien who worked with that bird. Can I still do the things off of Womach's DVDs with a cockatoo?

How much do they usually cost? And I found a caging website...what do you think? http://www.cagesbydesign.com/Store/

Now, what do you mean by "no seed"? I see cockatoo seed in stores all the time...is it not good for them?

Thank you soooooo much for your help.

magic mike


You picked a tough bird with a blue & gold.

You picked a worse bird with a cockatoo.

It takes a really dedicated and very special person to survive babysitting a cockatoo for the rest of your life.

For a first time bird owner, I can't steer you away from a large bird seriously enough. They're work that you wouldn't believe.

Consider...

-Can you afford $1,500 for a bird?
-Can you afford $800+ for a bird cage?
-Can you afford $300+/year for bird toys?
-Like cleaning up bird crap? Every day?
-Who will stay with your bird when you're away?
-Do you smoke?
-Kiss Teflon coating on cooking pans goodbye.
-Plan on getting married one day? She'll have to put up with the bird also.
-What about kids?
-Like screaming?
-No, I mean the bird screaming at you. Like it?
-How much do you have budgeted for vet bills?
-Are you going to get your feelings hurt the first time your bird bites you so hard it tears flesh off? It happens to all of us at some point.


Visit http://www.mytoos.com to get a real idea of what these birds will take. BTW - when mytoos.com says to turn your speakers up as loud as they go, do it.

Good luck.

Robert

PS: On cages - DO NOT SKIMP - especially on off-brand or no-name brand cages. Companies like California Cages, Avian Adventures and Kings Cages, just to name a few, are expensive. But consider the alternatives - many off-brand cages can't vouch for what chemicals are in the paint coating the cage bars. You want to know what your bird is being exposed to, especially with their cage.

I quoted $800 before. That's for a basic cage to sleep in. Many bird owners (myself included) have multiple cages around the house for sleeping, playing, etc.
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Thanks for getting those thoughts running through my head, I do think about that, But I have been preparing for a long time visiting people with macaws and looking after them.

To answer the questions:

-Yes I can afford all that, I have been saving little bits of what I make from shows for about 5 years. Cost right now is not too big of an issue.
-My mom is a stay at home mom and my school is the kind where I work at my own pace and only have to go to certain classes.
-I already have to clean out 4 bird cages everyday as I have 10 doves and babies coming, I look after my dog, hamsters cage I clean every 4 days and fish tank once a week. And I enjoy cleaning, even though sometimes I can be a mess.
-of course I don't smoke...I'm 14. and I don't plan to either.
-how does Teflon coating affect the bird?
-sure I do, I'll probably have a jungle of animals anyway, and I'll make sure I pick the right girl who likes animals too.
-I love noises, screaming I don't really mind, It just tells me that it needs attention.
-screaming at me, My parents do all the time, and there's nothing worse that a fathers roar..lol..no I have herd them scream before and its OK.
-I have enough money to go through vet bills if and when needed, witch I hope a situation would never come like that. I also know a vet very well and said in any ways that I need help he would be there.
-no, because things bite, its just a natural thing and I'll be expecting it all the time so when it happens I'll be OK.


I have checked out all kinds of cages at pet stores around my area and have been looking for a couple for a while.

That site was loud, just shocked me because I thought it was just going to be info at the beginning and my speakers were loud and I almost had a heart attach.

Now a question for you, why do you have a bird? Do you like the screaming?

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magic mike: that site was loud, just shocked me because I thought it was just going to be info at the beginning and my speakers were loud and I almost had a heart attach.


Twice a day, every day for the rest of your life. Make sure your parents hear that website at full volume also.

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magic mike: how does Teflon coating affect the bird?


Time for a little google research.
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OK.

Thanks, question- why do you have a bird if you hate screaming?

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On 2009-02-12 18:04, MagicMichealMan wrote:
OK.

Thanks, question- why do you have a bird if you hate screaming?

magic mike


I don't hate screaming. I handle my bird as best as possible to curb screaming behaviors.

And of course...it doesn't always work.

I can tell you this. After having been a bird owner now since I was 22, I'm seeing more things I'd like to do with my life that are made more challenging by having a bird.

We're getting ready for a trip to Key Largo in March. All I can say is thank god my sister is a bird person herself. Even with her bird sitting though, it's a tough burden to put on the bird, and on my sister & her family.

It's a big commitment.

I'm not saying you should not get a bird. I'm saying the birds you've listed are extremely difficult for even advanced bird handlers, let alone a 14-year-old first timer.

There's so many things that are going to change ahead of you in life. I don't know you, and yes, I'm making a broad statement here - there's no way you can be prepared to make a lifetime commitment to a parrot at 14 years old.

Parrots are nothing like doves. The birds you're looking at can live 60-80 years or better.

Again, I'm not saying do not buy one. This is your choice. Just make sure you do your due-diligence and research this. I spent well over a year thinking my decision over before I committed. And some bird owners I talk to think that's still too fast.

Best,
Robert
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I expect things to change, and simpily just love birds. If I had a choice to be something other than a magician it would be an animal trainer or something to do with animals, because I just love them. The one thing I don't get is when people say first timers, of course I know it means first time big bird person, but you'll have to have a fist time sometime. You can never just already be a bird person. Everyone who has a bird has been a first timer. I would like to get the bird while I'm young, as I don't want the bird to out-live me as when owners die sometimes it can put stress on the bird.

I have checked my area and there are 4 parrot and a few bird places that take care of birds if your on vacation, but just a question...can you take them with you?

I would consider a big comitment even just getting a hamster or a fish because you still have to look after it everyday and is a major thing.

I don't make many commitments and when I do its very important I stick with them. because The one thing I hate is when I say I'll do something and then don't do it. I simiply want a life full of animals and that's been like that ever since I was 4, and I doubt it will change, although it might, I am the kind of person who likes to stick with the plan.

Yes, parrots are not like doves. But auctually in some way they are. Doves still require daily attention, cleaning of cages, water, food, everything a parrot needs, but times 10, and as far as I know, doves don't live as long as these types of birds we're talking about. But I do get more because I breed them so they keep coming and will stick around for as long as the bird will.

I was going to buy a parrot about a year ago, but made the decision not to because I needed the time to think and do my research. It's funny because all through grade 7-8 all my essays and projects were about parrots and information about them.

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Posted: Feb 12, 2009 7:49pm

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PS- What made you want a bird?

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African grey parrots are wonderful! if you want a great bird! they are smart, non screamers, great talkers, great apartment birds, they love to interact with you, they are very independant! my little girl is 3yrs old and quite the talker! when I tell her ni ni ni she says ok I love you! I tell her good morning she wakes up with peek a boo to me! they live to be about 50yrs old! research alex of irene dr.pepperburg he knew shapes sizes colors textures etc!
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I think all th cautions are good, but you can go overboard too. Obviously big birds do make good pets for the right people.

Screaming cant be stopped 100% but it can be discouraged and reduced in frequency. The Womacks give excellent suggestions on their DVDs and I highly recommend them.

I have mixed feelings on the "second family bird" advice. On the one hand its definitely cheaper. On the other hand there is a unique bond that happens when you raise a bird from weaning on. Our Pickles is a second family bird and, while he loves us and has been with us now half his life, he still gets excited when he sees a woman who reminds him of his first 'mom'.

Also, you are going to inherit any mistakes his first family made and you will have to undo them. We made the right decision adopting Pickles, and I wouldn't trade him for a chick tomorrow, but I did want to make you aware of the issues.

Owning a Macaw, we like to say, is like having a permanent 3 year old with wings and a built in bolt cutter. It is a life plus commitment as he or she will likely out live you. They do require fairly consistent interaction. Macaws require less then Cockatoos but if you ignore any of them for too long behavior problems will emerge. (I just made this mistake and am in the process of rectifying.)

On the other hand, they are marvelous, smart and engaging creature who really do become close companions.

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned is veterinary bills. You will need an avian specialist and, because prey-birds by instinct hide illness, they will require more in the way of lab tests then a dog or cat. If any of our birds have to go to the vet I consider myself fortunate to get out for less then $200 and very lucky to get out for less then $100. (Obviously this will vary in your region.)

If you DO go through with this let us know and I assume most of us who have gone down this path will be happy to advise.

My first piece of advice, and you can do this before you get your bird, is to get and read this book. It was recommended by the shop Pickles came from and was very valuable to us:

http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Well-Behaved......4&sr=8-1
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One more thing on second family bird... make SURE it really is a second family bird and not a wild-caught juvenile or adult bird. Birds that are born in the wild belong in the wild and will never make good pets.
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