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Epiphany Regular user New Orleans 187 Posts 
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On 2009-02-04 02:53, pepka wrote: Those PF cups were spun out by myself Pepka. Please inform your buyer that the JES Squatty cups had been discontinued almost a year and removed from our site prior to my run of PF cups. I don't need to pass off JES cups as PF cups when we have the actual Genuine tooling. Thank you Bill for clarifying which set they are. Epiphany |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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Glad to help.
In following the development and production of Paul Fox cups, I have seen many variations of the shape. The cups from RnT II have been quite consistent, after that first run in stainless steel. The variations in Danny Dew's products were also somewhat noticeable. When I started doing this on a really serious basis, about five years ago, I didn't even know that there were two basic types of regular Paul Fox/Danny Dew cups. Now, I see all of the differences in weight, height, etc. The Paul Fox cups from Danny Dew range in height from 69 mm to 71 mm. That's pretty graphic. It's also not unusual for other manufacturers. P&L cups vary. So do National Magic Co. cups. Harry Stanley cups have major differences. Sometimes the cups within a set do not match perfectly, or even at all! I know from accounts of his customers that Danny Dew would receive a batch of cups from Perigee and spin lots of time grinding, polishing and matching the sets. Even the sets he got from Rings and Things had to be matched, although they were already polished and finished. As long as there is a human factor, there will be differences. BTW, Epiphany -- you did a fine job on these cups.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Epiphany Regular user New Orleans 187 Posts
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Dad spent years collecting sets of DD/PF cups. Not a set he purchased matched perfectly. Out of 17 sets of older DD cups, he managed to piece together 4 matching sets that were still off slightly, but a lot closer than the matched sets he originally recieved.
The cups varied in every way possible. My spinning will not match my father's spinning, no would my father's spinning match that of an older set, no matter if it is the same tooling or not. Like you said Bill, it's the "human" factor. Bill, thank you for your compliment on my spinning. It means a lot to me. Epiphany |
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Apprentice Regular user 164 Posts
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Hi Bill,
so just to clarify. the lateset RNT2 PF Coppers are a little shorter than the other PF RNT2 sets that you have. but will take a lacrosse ball without it protruding about 5/16 to 3/8 of an inch? also to clarify. the latest RNT2 PF coppers are NOT the same as RNT2 PF squatty's. is that correct? I think I may have the latest PF sets. I prefer them slightly shorter anyways (even though it's probably negligable). and it's cool to know that these were probably hand spun by Epiphany herself. very nice cups. love them! great job! Thanks! |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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I think that's the beauty of "hand spun" cups... they are works of artisans, not assembly line factory made.
You should see my FAVORITE set of "Indian" cups... they vary maybe 1/4-inch, look hundreds of years old (probably are) and ring like a bell. As I write, I await a set of cups from Epiphany and am looking forward to working with them.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Philp New user 62 Posts
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Just received the Church Bronze Mini Don Alan and Mini Jesters from Epiphany at RNT2today. Super cups and first class service to Engalnd - I ordered the cups on 11 January.
Like many at the Café I shall be sorry to see RNT2 close but feel very lucky that I have been around at a time when such great products were avaiable to the magical fraternity. I know that it should make too much difference, but I do really feel that there is something really special about using quality props - particularly in a close up situation. I now need to work on my mini cups routine. I send my best wishes to all at RNT2. Philip |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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On 2009-02-04 14:31, Apprentice wrote: That is exactly right. The inner diameter at the crucial spot is a tad larger than on the Squatty cups. The load capacity of a cup is a complex matter. The radius of the curve has to break at exactly the right spot to make it happen. But, as I mentioned, you must make sure you get lacrosse balls that are at the lower limit of the size range. In former years, this was not a problem, but now that they are made largely in China, the variation in size is somewhat more noticeable. Also, some lacrosse balls have a slightly raised section where the logo is stamped. This should be ground, filed or sanded down for smooth working.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts
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Just received all my cups from RNT, 2 sets of Mendoza non-combos and my traditional cups, and boy are my traditionals heavy and beautiful. Glad to have them as part of my working collection.
Will photograph them brand new and later after they have been patinanized. Also need to wait for my Ball collection from James Tong to arrive, and then I will begin the photograph session. Recently ordered another Chop cup from RNT, who knows what I will do next? Have fun folks! 
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Apprentice Regular user 164 Posts
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Thanks Bill for confirming!
I'm waiting for a Lime Cocobola Chop cup myself which I've been told will be completed very soon. Madkiki: looking forward to your photos. |
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts
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I'm a happy RnT II cup owner, getting my Church bronze PF cups. I need to quickly scrape together enough to get a chop cup and maybe a Mendoza combo set.
Oh Oh. I think I'm headed to a case of CAS (Cup Acquisition Syndrome).
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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RNT2 box with the Mendoza Combo's arrived today (less than a week from order to in hand). Very very nice.... great job of spinning, etc. They are as good as it gets.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1545 Posts
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Pete, did you get the satin cups or the polished cups?
Richard Green
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Aluminum... the price was right.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1545 Posts
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Oh, right...forgot about those! (My brain immediately thinks 'copper').
Richard Green
The Modern Conjurer Coming soon: Victorian Secrets: An Evening With The Spirits! |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts
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I recently heard from a VERY PROUD Papa that the Mendoza's I just received were from his baby girls run! I was going on and on about the quality of work and finish on the cups and that IMO they were flawless! Jake informs me that these are 100% Epiphany's work and I'm beyond impressed! AWESOME WORK young lady and no offense to the Mad Clown but these babies are now all that much more special to me!
Pip, Keep me posted when you get around to chucking up another hunk of burl since I missed getting a shot at that last beauty you turned out! Mick |
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts
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I too just received the Mendoza's yesterday and they are beautifully made, great work Epiphany. I was hoping the balls I ordered would be in the box, but I'm sure they'll be rolling in soon.
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Epiphany Regular user New Orleans 187 Posts
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It was brought to my attention last night that on another forum there is a post by Richard Hughes that shows concern for my location shown with my Avatar. I feel now that I need to explain this. I was born and raised the first part of my life in New Orleans, that is home to me as it to my father. I reside in VA right now, but my hometown is New Orleans. I had no idea people would become so petty in such a small detail or I would have to explain myself.
Also, on another forum, Leonard Hevia seems to be a cup expert and continues to make claims that the cups I spun and sent Pepka are JES cups. I've never spun a JES original nor did Pepka recieve such. Bill Palmer confirmed that the cups were indeed a spin of PF cups and not left over JES cups. Bill and everyone else in this thread, thank you so much for your kind words. In the short time that RNT II has been producing magic it's been a pleasure to do so for all. Epiphany |
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Tom Fenton.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts
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Epiphany,
The pleasure has been mine. Many thanks for giving me such wonderful things. Please give my best wishes to all. Tom
"But there isn't a door"
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts
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On 2009-02-05 12:49, Epiphany wrote: Hell Epiphany, these are the same people that not so long ago didn't even believe you were a real person! Hopefully someone can to line the guy (new owner of the PF's)out and although a public acknowledgment of such by the new owner would be nice I wouldn't count on it from that bunch! He's basically calling both Pepka and RNT2 liars! Those that matter know who you are and what a talent you are and the rest are just............ well, you know! Keep up the great work, Mick |
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Epiphany Regular user New Orleans 187 Posts
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Mick,
I'm very real and I've had the pleasure of meeting some people here on the Café. The highlight was meeting Mr. Fenton when he was at Disney about a year ago this month. It's been a pleasure to meet everyone in person that I've been able to so far. I just wanted to take the time to address the New Orleans issue as I could see where it may be confusing, but not for alarm as Richard Hughes made it out to be. I do look foward to moving back to New Orleans someday soon, I miss it more and more every time we go back to visit. The culture and the food is to die for there. Epiphany |
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