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I think it is Outdated. I have use it for about 20 yrs.
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On 2004-06-27 22:25, Magicusa wrote:
I think it is Outdated. I have use it for about 20 yrs.

Yes it's out dated, like the Linking Rings, Chinese Sticks, Cups and Balls and most other classics of magic. After all, half the props that magicians use doesn’t look like anything vaguely associated with reality. That does not preclude their use however!
There is a way to work even dated things like records in your act if you use just a tiny bit of imagination! Someone posted in another forum that they were having a problem when they asked audiences it they knew what a vinyl 45-rpm record was. Some folks recognized it but kids were dumb founded. My solution would be to produce a CD and say; "You know it's amazing how much things have changed since I was a kid. I bought this CD, which is a piece of plastic with songs on it! This one has 18 songs on it! When I was a kid, songs came on plastic disks too, they were called records and this is what they looked like (show one of the records) and this one only has one song on it. You don’t see Records much today, but in my day they were the only way to enjoy the magic of music!”
When I was doing Nielsen's vanishing bottle starting back about 16 years ago it was with the 10 oz. Coke Bottle a long lost icon of Americana. I talked about the significance of these in my childhood and how one of the first magic tricks I ever performed was with this iconic bottle. No one ever said that they didn't know what it was or didn't get, because with a little creative scripting I told them what they needed to know so they could buy into the illusion. That's what our job as magicians IS! Get them to buy into the fantasy of the impossible. When Coca Cola reintroduced the bottle size and design, it almost ruined my presentation script which now had to be modified to include that the bottles were now available again.
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I'm keeping it in my act...

right between the diminishing 8-track tape and the floating pet rock effect.
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Tonight folks I had one of those audiences------


you know the type, where every punch line hits home with ease, you get feedback at all the right places, and everyone has a jolly good time.

well, don't ask me how, but I managed to get 8 minutes of laughs with this nielsen classic.

I am by no means as much a seasoned professional as many of my mentors on this great forum, but I just worked the crowd better than ever.

let the ketchup bottle live on!
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On 2003-06-05 21:49, Cabrera wrote:
Lately I've been looking for glass bottles, and yes some restaurants still do have them. However, try a grocery store and you'll see nothing but plastic. You guys are right, there still is some longevity to the trick.
But how long???


I just did a little table work in a restaurant on Monday and found a nice glass bottle (just like my vanishing one) on every table.

I have found that very few upscale restaurants have gone to plastic or the squeeze bottles. The owner of the restaurant told me that I would not find many “tablecloth” restaurants using plastic bottles.

So, the fact that grocery stores would rather not handle glass (I do not blame them), has not (as yet) effected my work.

Bob
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I live in Pittsburgh Pa. where they make Heinz Ketchup so the bottle is very familiar.
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I know this is a little off-topic, but the vanishing catsup bottle brought this to mind:

'The Squirting Catsup Bottle', if that's what it's really called. You all should know the gag...

Squirt catsup at somebody, but it is only red string.

Well I found the perfect time and place ta use it: at the McDonalds or Burger King drive-through. You know, when they ask ya if you want ketchup, just say you have your own, show it out your window, and squirt!

You will get screams and possibly make the poor person jump outta their skin. Hehehe.

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Many restaurants keep, wash and refill Heinz glass bottles many times. Restaurant supply houses even sell a special rack for refilling them. It's much more economical (in space savings) to have a few large containers of catsup on your shelves than cases of more expensive disposable plastic bottles. For that reason alone the glass bottle will stick around for a while yet.
On a side note, I'm surprised no one even mentioned Pete Biro's idea of incorporating the old "prayer vase" using an empty bottle... that's the first time I've ever heard a logical introduction for that effect. Man of a million ideas!
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I came up with a gimmick that can allow you to vanish a whole bag of NOISY Nielsen beer bottles. I'll be posting it as a freebie soon in Triple Dare but, bottle workers who love the bottles, if you want a peek, PM me. Smile
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Okay, salsa has replaced ketchup as the number one condiment. But, it's nasty on fries and makes for soggy buns. Where are you guys eating... The Grease Glob where nothing is fresh and the flies cost extra due to the added protein?
If I ask for ketchup, anywhere USA, I am always served a Nielsen type Heinz ketchup bottle, never a squeeze bottle.
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Just for the record, unless Norm has hijacked the kitchen at Berghoff in Chicago, they put out several dozen real glass Heinz catsup bottles at 11:00 a.m. CDT today.
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On 2003-05-11 00:11, Frank Tougas wrote:
Yes, I agree, sad to say sometimes a great trick has to be retired because "Times....
they are a changing." Consider replacing it with the Coke bottle. I use it in a cardboard six pack style Coke bottle holder, along with a real bottle and a few empties for that clink sound.


I can't think of the name, but I've got the trick where the Coke stays in the bottle until you order it to pour out. Problem is, although the Coke bottle "shape" is an icon at this point, you can't really find little glass bottles of Coke like the prop anymore! At least not in my area. I was considering trying to make the trick for myself in a larger 20oz size, only to find that you can't find glass bottles in that size and I don't know how well a plastic one would work!

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On 2004-06-27 22:25, Magicusa wrote:
I think it is outdated. I have used it for about 20 yrs.

Yes it's outdated, like the Linking Rings, Chinese Sticks, Cups and Balls and most other classics of magic. After all, half the props that magicians use don’t look like anything vaguely associated with reality. That does not preclude their use however!
There is a way to work even dated things like records in your act if you use just a tiny bit of imagination! Someone posted in another forum that they were having a problem when they asked audiences it they knew what a vinyl 45-rpm record was. Some folks recognized it but kids were dumbfounded. My solution would be to produce a CD and say; "You know it's amazing how much things have changed since I was a kid. I bought this CD, which is a piece of plastic with songs on it! This one has 18 songs on it! When I was a kid, songs came on plastic disks too. They were called records and this is what they looked like (show one of the records) and this one only has one song on it. You don’t see records much today, but in my day they were the only way to enjoy the magic of music!”


Very nice, although techncially the 45 has two songs on it! Smile

That was a trick trivia question I saw once: how many grooves are on a 45 rpm? People were guessing multiple thousands until someone pointed out there's ONE groove, on each side, in a spiral. Smile
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Used it at elementary school Thursday and kids recognized it from the stage. Still alive and well here in Texas.
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It's the same for me. There are still restaraunts around here that use the glass bottles. And even if they stop making them from glass altogether, I will still use my bottle. (See Bob Sanders' post above)

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Does the Nielsen coke full bottle look like real coke?
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On 2005-04-25 04:57, Candini wrote:
Does the Nielsen coke full bottle look like real coke?


Yes.

However, keep in mind that it is a Stage effect , not intended for close-up . (though it certainly can be used in a living room/parlor magic situation . A few feet of distance is enough) . Take a look at the photos on nnmagic.com
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Thanks David....I went ahead and ordered the empty Coke today. I understand the label for the empty coke is built into the vinyl and won't wear.

Thanks!
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Here's a little idea I use when vanishing the sauce bottle.
After the first false vanish I say, “I'll do it again, and this time to make it even harder I will remove the cap.”
Remove the bottle cap and place it aside. Look down into the bottle and act a little worried. Whenever I perform in a home with an expensive carpet, this is a wonderful situation!

Say your magic spell or whatever, and as you aparently tip the bottle upside down, quickly place your hand into the bag and place your thumb over the open bottle top. You don’t want to spill the imaginary sauce, do you?

Tip the bag and bottle upside down, keeping your thumb over the bottle opening. “Once again the bottle . . ” (bring out your hand and suck the end of your thumb) . .”Has vanished from the bag!”

The turning of the bag and the business with the thumb convinces the audience you have a bottle full of sauce and this builds up to the climax. To finish off place your hand over the bag and slowly and deliberately squash it flat. The bottle has vanished. One final touch . . . stick a disc of red paper inside the bottle cap. As you place the cap aside it will appear to have sauce on the inside, just like a real sauce bottle would.
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On 2003-06-29 09:19, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:

Incidentally, do people ALL use paper bags with the Neilson bottles or are other bags useful?


This was posted quite a while ago on this longish thread, but I recently discovered a great bag to use for the Nielsen catsup bottle.

A convenience store in my neighborhood has begun using white paper bags with CLEAR PLASTIC WINDOWS. Apparently this is to discourage cheating in the checkout line.

These make the vanish MUCH MORE VISUAL.

If the paper is translucent, you might want to paste a bit of typing paper on the inside.

You can also make lightweight, compressable things (sponge balls, etc) appear in these bags.

VERY COOL !!!!!!!!

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Unless if you're performing in a grocery store, I don't find any reason to retire your catsup bottle effect. Catsup in a bottle will still last for a long time. But if your serious on retiring it. I'm willing to keep it for you. Smile
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