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I want to perform a silk through ring penetration using a reel. However, I want to use the silk for other effects (both before and after), so the set up has to be done on the fly. I know I can use magnets to create temporary connections, but then I have to ring in and ring out the reel. I have a few ideas on how this can be done, but does this set up sound familiar to any one?
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I have used snaps. They are extremely cheap and very gentle on the silks. You attach the part A & B to the reel, and then sandwich the silk between the snaps and press gently. The silk can actually slide while in the snap, but the silk hem prevents it from coming off.
Then, upon doing the silk penetration (one of my favorite things), you merely stick a finger or thumb nail between the snap which will easily pop apart and release the silk to use elsewhere. I believe this was a suggestion I got from from Bob Sanders who was helping me design my Flagtastick effect. http://bigduck.tripod.com/magicianoriginals/id7.html
Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the suggestion, Ian, but in my context, magnets would work better because I don't have to line them up before the penetration (as I would with snaps). My plan is to do a few things with the silk and then go into the penetration. If I used snaps, when it came time to do the penetration, I'd have to connect the two parts and that would be too fiddly.

My question is really about (1) the method, and (2) the location. In the context of #1, I was wondering whether a pull would do the job. I know there is a reel-less method in Albenice, but I want to perform this in close up, and I am looking for something with minimal reset. In the context of #2, I would prefer not to have to ditch the reel at the end of the penetration. For example, having the reel on a pull would work.

The key is that this is a middle effect, so the silk has to be hooked up, and unhooked on the fly!
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I can't say that I NEVER use magnets with silks. However, there is a real hazard of getting a wad silk between the magnets that is impossible to correct without risking exposure of the method.

(Magnets also stick to other things like belt buckles, keys, pants hooks, zippers, some jewelry, other props, etc.)

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On 2009-02-01 10:10, cataquet wrote:
.....,I know I can use magnets to create temporary connections, but then I have to ring in and ring out the reel.

Sorry, this sounded like you didn't want magnets. Plus the magnet would stick to the ring.
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Staying with a mechanical connection, there are jewelry clasp magnets that might be less troublesome. Bob and I were experimenting with stronger magnets one night, but found that the stronger magnets went right through the weave and also thru any knot that we devised.
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There is always a velcro hook-up, and in actuality some silks stick to velcro as the soft side. I used to handle silks and had calloused fingers that stuck to silks like velcro.
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There was a method without a reel, that just used a fine fishline and some fancy finger moves to keep the tension.
.... I am still researching.
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With a neodymium magnet on the end of the reel and just a small piece of steel sewn into the hem of the silk, the silk will only have magnetic properties when it comes near the end of the reel, solving the problem of sticking to other objects, etc. mentioned above. The attraction will not be as strong as magnet to magnet, so you will have to experiment to see if the pull slips away during the action you want to use with the reel, but for many penetration effects it will be sufficient.
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You're both right! Magnets could pinch a bit of silk (although I could control that a bit) and the magnet could stick to the ring (which at the moment is steel [I forgot about that!]). But I like the idea of velcro...

I know that Sidney Josolyne had "The Handkerchief That Unties Itself", and he used a thread tied to a shirt/vest button. In that case, a magic wand generates the force to untie a knotted silk. In the case of my desired penetration, a similar hookup could be used, with a movement of the hands forward causing the penetration. But, the ideal is to do this without too much hand movement - hence the idea of a concealed reel.
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At the risk of exposure, I use Velcro on my dove harnesses because they WILL attach to good silks. Thus, I can palm off the whole works as one piece. People only see the silk.

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PS --- With Velcro, be prepared to trash a lot of silks!
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The softside of the velcro could be stuck to the silk and the sticky side on the end of the reel.
Another method of attachment could be a small nylon loop off of the silk. The reel could have a hook or clip to catch it.
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Magic Ian,

That reminds me that I have used a fishing snap swivel on the reel and simply stick it like a fish hook through the silk at the corner hem. (Get the black swivels instead of the silver ones.)

Warning: serger hems do not add strength! You will just tear the corner of the silk. It will usually come loose! (Serger hems are for tricks that you sell, not silks you actually use in your act. However, on true diamond cuts they are the only hem that works. Those silks have to be tied into a knot for strength instead of "pinned" from the hem.)

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PS --- To keep the swivel hook available, just pin a safety pin to your costume and hook th open hook in it. The reel will keep it tight.
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Bob knows. I use the swivels on my Flagtastick: 3 silks to flag on a flagpole effect. It was one of the main improvements I needed to update the effect.
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I have seen snaps used (Gen Grant) and also magnets, which have their side effects. The method you will end up using will probably be determined how many other effects you want to do before and after the penetration effect.

You may also consider using a reel with a holdout or the like.

Experiment and see what works for you.
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Having played around with snaps, magnets and velcro, velcro works the best.

As for the reel, the reel on a pull worked best. The reel on a holdout or the reel on its won did not work well at all.
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