Wait, hold on. I thought a C/S coin is a sun and moon coin?

No the S&M coin(s) is much more complex than a C/S. Don't feel bad however, very few people know about the gaff. The good point however is that a smaller number of routine has been developed and therefore it is easier to be creative on this less explored ground.

The routines which exist however clearly show the great potential of this gimmick.

Goshman, Albert. Modern Coin Magic by J. B. Bobo: The Sun And Moon.
Kaps, Fred (edited by Pete Biro): Fred Kaps Lecture Book 1972 Magic Inc. P 6 Sun and Moon in Spectator's Hand: half and penny exchange in specs hand (uses Half, C/S, English Penny Shell)

Klause, Roger. Richard’s Almanach. p. 150: Soleil et Lune. & COINvention Inaugural Collection DVD. A very clean fantastic routine with a perfect dramatic presentation by its author. The concept of the shell starting over the C/S which is then transferred over the copper coin supplying two C/S coins, and the way it is used, is brilliant and opens unexplored possibilities.

Latta, Geoff: NY coin DVD Copper Silver Vol 4. Sun and Moon. In the bonus section, Geoff presents some good variants around the concept of eclipse. His patter would profit from knowledge of the conundrum of the sphinx to Oedipus.

Neighbors, David: Coinjurer DVD Winged copper-silver and Triple Change Wild Coin & Japan notes p. 18:Triple change wild & Heavy work made easy notes p. 25 Still tap dancing & Here comes the sun …and the moon and Advanced Routines for the Ultimate Wild Coin Gimmick

Price, Barry: Escamotage 1 booklet: Sun, Moon & Beyond.

Thompson, Rob : Samoya DVD Apl 2009

Wild, Mike. Tavern Magic 2. 4 illusions with the Sun and Moon. Total Eclipse, Quantum Mechanics, Premonition V, Equinox.

Gentlemen,

Any links to Rob Thompson's SAMOYA DVD? Can't seem to hit it via a google search.

Thanks!

Gene

Here's a video of the effect:

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-US&playlist......msnvideo

For more info send an email to Rob Thompson: magicguy@pcwildblue.com

Somoya is Soleil et Lune. It's a nice handling, very well performed, but that's exactly what it is. You'll need the modified sun/moon for the clean shows.

With the discussions above on "normal" sun and moon, I am asking if the Johnson hopping half set has a normal Sun/moon set? Also, is it the same s/m set as the separately sold Johnson s/m set?

No unfortunately the Johnson hopping half set doesn't include the elements of a Sun and Moon.
However thinking about how to use the Johnson hopping half set for another effect than just the basic effect getting to the pocket is interesting. Try looking at the new Shufton/Regal "Portal" and see what you can come up with.

Alternatively see if you could rework something with David Roth portable hole using your Johnson hopping half set.

Possibly also a purse can replace a pocket in an effect...

Keep thinking you are on the right track: this is more original than buying another gaff (even if S&M is really a nice gimmick as well)

Actually it does contain a sun/moon. Remember - a "basic" sun/moon is a c/s coin with an additional sh*ll placed over it. So, an English Penny sh*ll covers the half dollar side of a c/s coin. Held proper, it looks like an English Penny from both sides.

Okay, take out the c/s coin, you're left with an English Penny sh*ll. Try to place a half dollar in the sh*ll. Since the sh*ll is unexpanded, the half dollar won't fit (it's not necessary to expand it for the c/s insert). Now if that sh*ll is expanded to take the half dollar, you'll have to modify the c/s coin also so it won't rattle around in the sh*ll. A "modified" sun/moon takes all this into account - you can fit the c/s into the English Penny sh*ll and a normal half dollar.

This modification opens up some nice clean shows when you're about to do some transpositions between the copper and silver coins.

Rob Thompson's "SAMOYA" and Roger Klause's "Soleil et Lune" is a little different routines, but you can use the same gaff/coins.

Todd's TWIAD set is perfect for the "Soleil et Lune" routine, if I am correct.

I have a Hopping Half set ( Walking Liberty / English Penny ) from Lassen, and this coins works perfect for both routines.

There is also a full demo and explanation on the new DVD, Friends of Roger Klause, Volume 2 that came out this month.

I bought this Volume 2 and it is just filled with great material and is a fitting tribute to Roger Klause. It's obvious that Mr. Pierce is sincere in his tribute and careful in his explanations and crediting. The Soleil et Lune routine is superb and very deceptive. It also has a great story line. I have to say, Lance, you are one smooth performer - the color changing silks is great too!

I agree. Vol. 2 is great, and Lance does a beautiful job performing the effects.

Robert

I just watched the Rob Thompson's "SAMOYA" video and really like the routine. Im thinking it could be woven into other C/S effects, CSB, or Wild Coin. Im still not clear on what coins I specifically need to have. don't know if anyone cares to disclose, but maybe some references to coin manufacturers / sets that will work?

Any Sun/Moon coin set will work with SAMOYA.

As long as the add'l silver coin fits in the S&M shell.

Jim

^^^ THIS ^^^

Samoya is really a very nice routine.
I created a Samoya version "without a shell" for myself.

Here is my video:
https://youtu.be/jWEsNhNk4ps



Darko

From what I see Sun / Moon sets are pretty rare. I don't see any with Jamie Schoolcraft; Todd Lassen is making some but seems to have a long waiting list. Tango has some, but I've had hit and miss with their quality. Roy Kueppers seems to have some sets... anyone familiar with his coins ?