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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Thanks for that
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
My Mother was born and raised there.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
There you go, Doug is a major player in black history.
(New York City types, my dad was raised on Fresh Pond Road, which still exist) |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Doug is not a player in Black History, major or otherwise. My history strictly 'honks'. I have ancestors of equal importance who fought on both sides during the CW and Granddad was a mounted Cop in NY who cracked heads with equal opportunity toward all. I attended (for the most part) a high school with majority black students but where race never entered into it...proof: Never had a fight!
My history was colorful in other ways.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
The birth place of JAZZ took place on 135th street and Lenox ave (7th ave then).
135th street is home to the NY Public Library's Schomburg Center for Black Culture. Those buildings are very important to the development of black culture in Harlem. There are pictures of Strivers Row as well as others. Harlem is the hub-bub of black culture and history in NYC and America. Harriet Tubman is one of the greatest women who ever lived. Born into slavery in Maryland, she escaped to the north - Harlem. For SEVERAL years she risked everything to return to Maryland and FREE the slaves there. Adam Clayton Powell Jr. is a very important person in Harlem (even though he lived off his father's hard work.) There are also pictures of the Commandant Keepers, the only all black Jewish congregation in the city, if not the country. The Harlem open air market; the place for all things African. The churches are very significant to the history of Harlem. Believe me, I didn't take pictures of half of them - there are so many. Sylvia’s...sure there are better soul food places but she's the Queen! The Shabaz center...Malcolm X met his fate there. Morris Jumel...the OLDEST house in Manhattan. So, I thought I would put a slide show together and share some of the sights of Harlem. Some people don't get to visit the city and I just thought it would be a nice stroll through the neighborhood? |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Justin...I liked it!
Been a lot of years since I've been there...never saw it so empty!! Early Sunday morning shoot?
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
>The birth place of JAZZ took place on 135th street and Lenox ave (7th ave then).
Who told you that? Ever heard of New Orleans? Find anyone other than yourself that believes Jazz was originated in New York City and have them contact Ken Burns and tell him his documentary was wrong. >135th street is home to the NY Public Library's Schomburg Center for Black Culture. Well, where else they gonna put it? China town? Were the books written there? That is like saying Harrahs Car Collection is where cars were built. >Those buildings are very important to the development of black culture in Harlem. There are pictures of Strivers Row as well as others. Designed for middle class whites when they left guess who moved in? >Harriet Tubman is one of the greatest women who ever lived. Born into slavery in Maryland, she escaped to the north - Harlem. For SEVERAL years she risked everything to return to Maryland and FREE the slaves there. Sorry, she initially escaped to Philidelphia and then retired to Auburn New York. >There are also pictures of the Commandant Keepers, the only all black Jewish congregation in the city, if not the country. Well, if you don't consider the white members they are all black. >The Harlem open air market; the place for all things African. I've been to Africa and they didn't have a lot for sale that would be consumable, you telling me all they sell is from Africa? Amazing. Oakland could kick Harlems behind and leave 'em crying for their mamma's. |
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
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On 2009-02-02 19:36, Doug Higley wrote: Thanks...These are just a collection from my early morning rides thru the city and around the park. Santa; Jazz was born on 135th street. Harriet Tubman...sorry, you are right, it was upstate. But that don't discount her greatness. Thanks for the history lesson. Maybe one day you and I will be able to take a stroll through the neighborhood. |
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Rotten Special user 829 Posts |
My wife, who is not from the US, asked me today if there was a white history month. I rarely laugh so early in the morning.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I spoke to a friend of mine (he is a nationally recognized black leader who is one heck of a nice guy except when he is 'working', then he is absolutely one minded) who collects jazz. He said New York City was once recognized as the 'capital of jazz' but not the place where jazz originated. He also said if anyone has any 75's of jazz he's interested but don't let his wife know.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
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On 2009-03-08 20:47, MagicSanta wrote: I STILL disagree...accordingly to the doucmentry I saw, Jazz was born at the corner of 135th street and 7th ave (Lenox). THAT'S where it started. |
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
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On 2009-03-09 06:16, Justin Style wrote: Jazz was "born" in New Orleans.
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I think this thread was cool, and you meant it well. But New Orleans deserves its title as the birthplace of jazz.
Why don't you ask these guys what the birthplace of bebop is? |
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David Bilan Special user Clarksville, TN 714 Posts |
MagicSanta,
were you talking about Jazz 78 rpm vinyl records?
Yes, I am a magician. No I did not make my hare (hair) disappear... it just took early retirement.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
I was wrong about the street...it wasn't 7th ave, it was 135th st & 5th ave.
From the book: The Hellfighters of Harlem: African-American Soldiers Who Fought for the Right to Fight for Their Country: Quote:
The prevailing view that blacks were cowards excluded any consideration of enlisting them for military fighting duty in World War I. But because the nation was ill-equipped and low on manpower at the war's start, black troops were called into active duty, including the 369th regiment rooted in a New York National Guard unit centered in Harlem. General John J. Pershing, who'd had good experiences with black troops, was a strong supporter of blacks as fighters. Still, black infantry was banned from serving under U.S. command and were assigned to the French army. Harris recounts the numerous black troops' heroics and exploits, on and off the battlefield. He includes as a subtext the career of Lt. James Reese Europe, the black jazz pioneer whose band dazzled Europe and presented an American face often more appreciated in Europe than at home. Harris also provides an overview of black military involvement from the Revolutionary War through the Gulf War, highlighting history unknown by many. Vernon Ford Quote:
Their distinguished World War I record featured the longest front line service of any American regiment, with not a soldier captured or a foot of ground lost. They were the first Allied unit to reach the Rhine River. Their distinguished Private Henry Johnson was awarded France’s prestigious Croix de Guerre, for singlehandedly knocking out a platoon of twenty-eight German troops—yet Johnson is today still denied America’s Medal of Honor. While the French government honored the 369th’s battlefield exploits, the French people fell in love with its regimental band’s hot jazz. This saga of soldiers whose struggle to reach the front lines was shadowed by racism begins with debates among black leaders over whether African-Americans should withhold support for the war until steps toward equality were made, then follows the harrowing path of the 15th Regiment of Colored Infantry’s formation which, lacking a proper armory, drilled in the streets of Harlem and a local dance hall. The 15th was ready to fight by 1917, but was forbidden from serving under U.S. command by General John J. Pershing, who handed over the re-named 369th to the French Army. This rousing story of arms and a band—led by jazz pioneer Lieutenant James Reese Europe—that toured Europe’s hospitals, villages, and cities, is a thrilling portrait of the soldiers whose return to U.S. soil, complete with a spectacular parade up Fifth Avenue, helped fuel the Harlem Renaissance.… According to the story... They had the parade and just as they marched in front of the viewing stand, James Reese Europe broke out into a little impromptu jazz riff! The crowd went nuts and Jazz as we know it was born. |
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
Justine Style wrote - quoting another source:
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While the French government honored the 369th’s battlefield exploits, the French people fell in love with its regimental band’s hot jazz and Quote:
This rousing story of arms and a band—led by jazz pioneer Lieutenant James Reese Europe—that toured Europe’s hospitals, villages, and cities, is a thrilling portrait of the soldiers whose return to U.S. soil, complete with a spectacular parade up Fifth Avenue, helped fuel the Harlem Renaissance.… I can neither confirm, nor deny, that the following websites are accurate. Where Jazz came from was the very first page I found when I searched for "origin of jazz" using Google. It had the text: Quote:
There are many theories of how jazz started, but there is only one real answer to where jazz was started. Some people say that jazz was created because some people wanted a different flavor of music and just started making it up. Other people say that jazz began with the African Americans who were brought over by slave ships. They brought their homeland music over to America. People then took the African-Americans’ music and changed it to form jazz. Other people say that jazz came from other possible places, like New Orleans. The people who think jazz started in New Orleans are right. Jazz was started in New Orleans in the year of 1895. The Wikopedia page for Jazz, on the other hand, has: Quote:
The word jazz began as a West Coast slang term of uncertain derivation and was first used to refer to music in Chicago in about 1915; for the origin and history, see Jazz (word). Going to the page for Wikopedia page for "Jazz (word)" at the link in the quote above, I find: Quote:
The origin of the word jazz is one of the most sought-after word origins in modern American English. The word's intrinsic interest — the American Dialect Society named it the Word of the Twentieth Century — has resulted in considerable research, and its history is well-documented. As discussed in more detail below, jazz began as a West Coast slang term around 1912, the meaning of which varied but which did not refer to music or sex. Jazz came to mean jazz music in Chicago around 1915. Jazz was played in New Orleans prior to that time but was not called jazz. So, Wikopedia states Jazz was played in New Orleans prior to 1915, but the term is from California, and came much later. Wikopedia, is not always a reliable source for information because anyone can write there. That article lists the following references, which, if real, shows the author probably did do some research: Quote:
To increase my confidence that the information is correct, I'd want to read the books above, and then do more research in a good library. However, my best guess is that the information at Wikopedia for "jazz" is probably correct.
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
I will admit that I did NO research, I only saw the documentry about Harlem. It's good enough for me...and therefore I will believe that's where it all started.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
David, typo, yes he collects 78 rpms. I'll tell you this, he has the best private museums, for lack of a better word, a basically regular guy has (basically because he is on a number of boards and gets paid big bucks, he was the first black dude to hold a certain position and is pretty recognized in that field). If you are a jazz record guy I can put you in touch with him but remember, the wife doesn't need to know!
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
Intelegent people can disagree without resorting to violence.
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