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Hi all,

I just HAD to share this recent find of mine with everyone. I'm not sure how long this has been on the market. My copy is copyrighted just in 2004, but it's probably been out longer than that. This is one of those effects that as you read it, you think "Holy **** I should have been doing this all along!!" This has been my favorite find of the past few years. I will probably do this practically daily for the rest of my life. Strong, totally improptu, impossible... and BOLD! I love it! Anyone else use it??
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Ahhh discovery! It's a wonderful thing.
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If you've liked it, I can suggest you 2 other effect :

Impromptu Book Test from Josh Zandman - available at outlaw-effects (I think).
The method is based on the Hoy-booktest, and you will go crazy if you read it.
If you search the café you will find very good reviews.

The other is Paul Brook - The Brooktest. The method is similar to the Hoy Booktest, but you can reveal any word on the page, not just the first one. (from the audience point of view).
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The Brooktest, is really worthy, you can learn a lot to improve the Hoy book test, in those marvelous pages.

Cheers,

Nicolas.
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David Hoy's "Bold Book Test" -- commonly, but incorrectly, referred to as the "Hoy" book test, was first published in "The Bold and Subtle Miracles of Dr. Faust" by David Hoy, a 36 page booklet published by the Ireland Magic Company (later known as Magic, Inc.) in Chicago in 1963 and subsequently reprinted in 1968. When first published it sold for the princely sum of $3.00. In addition to the "Bold Book Test" the booklet also includes a second book test, the "Pocket Book Miracle." The "Bold Book Test" is considered the "classic" book test with ungmmicked books, has been adapted, modified and nuanced in countless versions since its publication nearly 50 years ago and remains a staple in the repertoire of most mentalists today. The booklet is still very much in print and can still be purchased from Magic, Inc. and most other dealers.
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On 2009-02-07 01:58, jefftravilla wrote:
Hi all,

I just HAD to share this recent find of mine with everyone. I'm not sure how long this has been on the market. My copy is copyrighted just in 2004, but it's probably been out longer than that. This is one of those effects that as you read it, you think "Holy **** I should have been doing this all along!!" This has been my favorite find of the past few years. I will probably do this practically daily for the rest of my life. Strong, totally improptu, impossible... and BOLD! I love it! Anyone else use it??


You are joking???

This is classic of mentalism.
Please tell me everyone else knows this?

I couldn't be more shocked if you told me you'd never heard of a swami.

If you haven't at least read the The Bold and Subtle Miracles of Dr. Faust then....well I just don't know.

I see these threads about "I'm new to mentalism what should I study" and despair sometimes at the amount of *basics* that are left out of the responses in favour of stuff written in the last 2-3 years.

Were it not for David Hoy large chunks of Luke Jermays work would'nt exist.
I see an active and enthusiatic thread on Natural Lottery on here - No Hoy, No Natural Lottery.
I could go on....

Hoy is *single* most important figure in the evolution of D**l R**ty effects.

I'm sorry for my outburst and I know I will now be torn to shreads for daring to write something like this but I see people waxing lyrical about every new work published and no one seems to studing mentalism 101.

A new discovery??? You should be reading this first!!!

Before reading anything published in the last five years study Hoy, Koran, Mayer, Corrinda, Al Mann, Al Baker & Annemann.

Best of the slightly newer stuff:
Fogel
Nyman
Riggs
Cassidy
Early Knepper
Becker
Earle
Waters
Maven
Punx
Lesley
Early Osterlind
Rowland


Don't buy *anything* else until you have read those guys. Just do it...

There is some very good new works around but they have all stood on the shoulders of these giants.

Sorry again and - please be gentle with me....

Doug
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Doug:

Fogel was before Hoy.

And none of us knew Hoy's Bold Book Test... until we did.

- entity
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On 2009-02-07 09:16, entity wrote:
Doug:

Fogel was before Hoy.



True. I was just reeling in shock that someone was sharing this new discovery with every one.

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And none of us knew Hoy's Bold Book Test... until we did.

- entity

Vary fair point - But....... This post wasn't "God I can't believe how good this is - I wish I'd read Hoy sooner". To me it felt like "Guys I've just discovered this really obscure old guy - He's nearly as good as (insert name of recent author here) Let me tell about it - Maybe you can find a copy too!

Hopefully I'm wrong.

But my comments about how I feel when I read the ommission of certain names on "Where should start threads" and the inclusion of some newer writers still stand.

Ignore me. I got in at 4 this morning from a crappy corporate do and I'm ratty.
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Doug,

Truer words were never spoken. Now if everyone would simply heed your advice . . .
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I agree with you, Doug, with regard to the list of study material.

I appreciate Jeff's enthusiasm, though. It's wonderful to discover something fine like Hoy's Bold Book Test. It sounds as if he's isolated from knowledgeable mentalists, and I'm happy that he has some of the folks here, such as you, Doug and Dick, to lead him in the right direction.

- entity
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Check out Marc Paul's AAA book test also! Just incredible. Any book, anytime, anywhere, no gimmick, no preparation, any page... just brilliant... and so bold.
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On 2009-02-07 09:27, Suffolk wrote:
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On 2009-02-07 09:16, entity wrote:
Doug:

Fogel was before Hoy.



True. I was just reeling in shock that someone was sharing this new discovery with every one.

Quote:
And none of us knew Hoy's Bold Book Test... until we did.

- entity

Vary fair point - But....... This post wasn't "God I can't believe how good this is - I wish I'd read Hoy sooner". To me it felt like "Guys I've just discovered this really obscure old guy - He's nearly as good as (insert name of recent author here) Let me tell about it - Maybe you can find a copy too!

Hopefully I'm wrong.

But my comments about how I feel when I read the ommission of certain names on "Where should start threads" and the inclusion of some newer writers still stand.

Ignore me. I got in at 4 this morning from a crappy corporate do and I'm ratty.


Yes, you're wrong, haha... I've been reading offerings by mentalists for years, and somehow Hoy slipped by me. My reaction was more along the lines of what you first mentioned (I can't believe I hadn't read this yet). I have been around magic my whole life and have never seen this performed. Sorry to have so greatly offended you....

I do have to add that it should not really matter in what order people become inspired. When I taught myself to play guitar, the first song I learned was Nothing Else Matters by Metallica, not Bah Bah Black Sheep. And when I started reading Mentalism I started with Annemann and Knepper. If you are standing on the shoulders of someone who is standing on the shoulder of an originator, you are still standing on the right shoulders.

My two cents.
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Never care for what they say jeff, Never care for games they play, never care for what they do, never care for what they know, But you now know!!!

lol

Metallica rule!

Peace & Love

Mat
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Well like everything else, You see someone get great reactions on an effect and you to include me wants to learn more. Woody Did what I believe is David Hoys Bold Book Test on Letterman, So I was re reading my manuscript on it and I found that it was a bit different. What is the big difference between Josh Zandmans and David Hoys?
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Woody used subtleties for the Hoy book test that Osterlind shared on ETMMM.
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On 2013-06-05 15:19, cpbartak wrote:
Woody used subtleties for the Hoy book test that Osterlind shared on ETMMM.


Ross Johnson gave me that subtlety for the Hoy test. Like all of Ross's thinking, it was perfect. I started using it and it became so ingrain in my routine that I completely forgot where I had gotten it. If I had not, I would have asked Ross to use it or left it out of the routine on the DVDs.

After ETMMM came out, I talked to Ross and, gentleman that he is, he was very gracious and told me not to worry about it. Still, I try, every time it comes up here or elsewhere, to clear up the matter.

Richard
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That's a really gentlemanly thing to do, Richard - very honest and courteous.
'One of the safest ways to make a good performance is to have tricks which work so easily, that mechanics can be forgotten and every attention devoted to presentation' - Corinda
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Richard,

You are both a gentleman and man of integrity, besides being a great performer and teacher. Thanks for being a role model for many of us.

Lou
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"Ross Johnson gave me that subtlety for the Hoy test. Like all of Ross's thinking, it was perfect."

I am not positive, but I believe that the subtlety referred to here is also shared by Mr. Johnson himself on his DVD Simply Psychic, which is probably the best 'bag for the buck' DVD's I have ever seen and certainly deserving of a plug here.
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The concept used is the same that the esteemed Mr. Johnson used on his DVD. However the justification for it is different on Mr. Johnson's DVD than what Mr. Osterlind did in ETMMM or Mr. Harrelson did on Letterman's show.

For those who haven't seen it, the method shown on Mr. Johnson's Simply Psychic DVD allows the participant to pick any of the books (he used 3 books), and he's still able to use the subtlety. Also the reason for being rushed seems more natural.
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