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Bema Regular user 104 Posts |
I haven't seen the Fast Company DVD, but I am a big fan of the book "Fast Company", a collection of very interesting pieces on famous gamblers. Definitely worth checking out.
So I guess even if the bottom deal wasn't "borrowed", the DVD's title was. |
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David Thomas New user 22 Posts |
I used to hang out at genii forum more. However, many of the users are there simply to praise RK. While I respect and admire him, it just gets on my nerves. No matter what, many of the users will agree with RK simply to agree with him. Or when he corrects somebody they will write a page on how sorry they are. kcg's first sentence of his 2nd to last post really sums it all up.
Respectfully, David |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
***Wait. People here accuse Dustin and Richard of using Genii as a cover for a personal attack on Neiman, yet no one has problems with making these accusations without any support and childish name calling?***
Now you wait Brad, You quote ME and then make your statement above! When, where and how did I make such a accusation? Mick |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Brad, I don't dance you your tune, so "telling" me what to do is just you blowing smoke.
Your insulting and derogatory comments about the Magic Café and Steve Brooks, which you made on the Genii forum, actually have me surprised to see you here with the riff-raff. Your comments about Brooks, the Magic Café and its members (in case you forgot) read as follows: Thanks Steve Brooks for fertilizing the breeding ground your site has become. Why are you here again Brad? As much as you're trying to be "part of this", you actually have nothing to contribute, and are irrelevant to the conversation taking place. You might have better luck back at the Genii forum where you can continue to kiss the hinds of Sinett and Kaufman. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I was wondering the same thing!
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David Thomas New user 22 Posts |
Agreed, silverking.
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
Well, getting back to the Fast Company DVD set, I didn't need a review to determine whether or not to purchase this. When I saw that Damian was involved, I sent for it. If you're at all interested in this type of card work, IMO it's a must have.
I've enjoyed performing Three Card Monte for 35 years now. I immediately incorporated a couple of ideas from this set, and now Three Card Monte my favorite routine to perform. |
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ronfour Regular user 162 Posts |
Agreed, it is a great DVD.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I swiped the post below from the Genii forums:
Dustin, -Tony taught me his bottom deal in person... It's not the same a Damian's by a LONG shot. Have you seen Tony's deal? -You start by saying Damian stole the technique from the notes in the review, then start backtracking on here claiming it's not the technique, it's just "the elegance" makes it Tony's. Unreal. - I have been messing around with the bottom deal for a few years, and everything on the DVD I had played with before (along with every other serious card man). You can't claim those things as your own! -Anybody who read the review is under the impression that Damian stole Tony's bottom deal. He didn't. - Damian never called Tony a liar, and he never contradicted himself (as said by Dustin). - The DVD's have more credit on them than most all DVD's, thanks to Jason. He was nice enough to help. What specifically do you have problems with? Then we can have some real substance. "Interesting: In the Café post that started all this, Mr. Nieman says that he asked Bill Malone for permission, but neglected to mention asking anyone else." -Dustin - Anyone who read Damian's original post knows how asinine of a comment this is. He wasn't answering to anyone. When asked, he answered to you. -I was there when he asked permission with everyone aforementioned. But above, you spread a the lie that he didn't ask their permission. -Almost all the information you get is second hand and you preach it on here as fact. - You go on and on about the importance of permission (which is fine), but other than the bottom deal (which is not the same as Tony's), what ground do you have to stand on? He spoke to Steve and asked his permission to use his Ace Cutting routine, and Bill Malone for his touches on Scarne's aces (Yes, I was THERE for this). - How do you have the ordacity to bring up 'Shade' and Tony's problems with it in this thread. There are always TWO SIDES to a story. You have obviously only heard Tony's side. Be a man, call Damian, get his side of the story... and come to your own conclusion. You WEREN'T THERE... so stop preaching about it. (Oh here we go, right? Another guy from 'Damians' camp. No...I've actually heard and seen both sides of the story guys; was there when the calls were made, seen both deals in person, and spoke to Damian about the other 'matters'. Dustin has not.) *Don't get me wrong, I wasn't there when through the whole Shade thing.... so I'm not going to talk about it." I can take a bad review. I can't take preached second handed BS. Grant Carden |
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Clock Elite user Los Angeles, CA 460 Posts |
Sorry I'm not much of a writer/editor... just tried to get some of my thoughts out.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
And a fine job ya did man!
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
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On 2009-02-17 19:09, silverking wrote: So, you don't have anything to back up your accusations? Didn't think so. If you do: man up, come to the genii forum and sign your name to your accusations. You've made accusations. Seems relevant to ask you to back them up, no? Whatcha got to loose? Brad |
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artwo Veteran user South England 332 Posts |
Dat dem dere's fightin talk!
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iugefu Veteran user 387 Posts |
Kaufman has locked the thread on the Genii forum.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
This - what is being called a review was written by what seems to be an amateur magician - that doesn't seem to know that much about the subject matter. Why I am of the opinion that it is not a "review" is because it doesn't tell that much about the "content" of the DVD's. So the "reader" can make an "informed" decision about if they may or may not want to buy them.
And that is the magic word here in my opinion - the word "Informed". The person that wrote the review is entitled to their own opinion - however I wonder if the person that wrote this review can strike a good second? - or even do a reasonably good bottom? - and get away with it in front of an audience when all eyes are on him and watching the action? And how if he can’t - how would this qualify them to write a review about the subject matter? Perhaps that is why this review is so lacking on talking about the content. In my opinion Daimen is "highly" skilled and that opinion comes from a guy that “can” strike a good second and deal a good bottom deal - and “has” used it to entertain people over many years of performing shows. Just my opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
In his post where he locks the thread, Kaufman wrote:
I had also heard that Damien had not asked for permission to include the Steve Forte item on the DVD, so I can assure you that Dustin didn't make it up. Well of course he made it up!, it's not true and both Kaufman and Sinett both now admit it's not true......if it's not true, it's made up.......that's how it works. Of course if Sinett had actually done any research rather than depending on rumors and street talk for what was supposed to be a serious review, he'd have found that out and it never would have seen print. Now we find out that apologies are flying around fast and furious behind the scenes as Sinett and Kaufman try to clean up their mess. Of course Kaufman locked the thread, Genii was taking a serious credibility kick over this incident, and nothing Kaufman or Sinett posted was helping their case.......in fact it was only making them look far worse than they already did. There's probably a lot of smart people around who can read between the lines, and can see what Sinett was really up to when he wrote the review. I would expect that the Genii thread will quietly disappear in a few weeks, and all that will be left for the record will be this thread on the Café. Shoddy research results in a shoddy review........add in a personal vendetta and you get Sinett's "Fast Company" review. |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
The review itself made the writer's bias obvious. Perhaps a criticism or two could be aimed at the DVD set, but the review was over the top. Dustin attacked Damian's reasons to make the DVDs, his card-handling skill, his character, the length of the DVDs, his competence as a teacher, the unoriginality of his routines as demonstrated by the crediting, the lack of crediting, the name-dropping, the way he mentions Dai Vernon and the cost of the set.
Reading the review, what stands out to me are the contradictions and the large scope of the attacks on Damian and his work. There are credits and that means this is not Damian's work, except the credits aren't good enough, and when he shows something which is supposed to be his own touch on some work the fact that there isn't any credit means it's not his either. So whether there is credit or not Dustin is simply unwilling to believe anything Damian says. If the problem originates in a quarrel between Tony Giorgio and Damian Nieman, in my opinion it should be dealt with by the actors themselves, not stand-ins who have their own interests, biases and misconceptions. As for the review it was clearly a hatchet job with little to no value. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
I like how they say Damian didn't get Mr. Forte's permission, when its pretty clear who would be in contact with him
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
'Fast Company' is a great DVD for serious cardmen. That's all that need be said.
People that really know what they're talking about (e.g. Doc, the highest qualified person to comment on a DVD teaching gambling moves) give it a big 'thumbs up'. What more do you want? The rest of the BS hoopla surrounding this whole episode is simply a waste of time, a waste of life. Sheesh, get some sun, enjoy a nice drink with friends, spend time with the Mrs and kids, actually live your life. This whole thing is unbelievable. Sad, actually. Very sad. With all the problems in the world today, why does any of this nonsense even matter? Get real. Have some perspective on what really matters in life... |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2009-02-18 12:34, splice wrote: Very well said and I agree - and if I may add that if there is a crediting issue in my opinion should that not be worked out between the two (Tony Giorgio and Damian Nieman)or more parties? And in my opinion should not have been written about in the so called review in the first place? The other thing was the sarcastic tone and the shallow attempts at humor. That gave nothing in the way of the content of what is on the DVD's. Just my opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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