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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
Forget Piter Pit.
Forget Copperfield Forget Simon Drake and BDC. This cat has us all beat! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sup0HkYCgEs |
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WagsterMagic Special user Myrtle Beach, SC 639 Posts |
Wow!
that almost looks real!!!
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Rich B. Special user Philadelphia 632 Posts |
BDC...it was a nice performance. Basically dancing with a prop. It was more baton twirling than the dancing cane. I'm sure you were just a bit overly excited when you first saw it....I think.
Magic it is not. I do appreciate the performance though. Rich B. |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
Rich,
I never said it was a magic trick. But it was magical and to tell you the truth that was better than any magic trick. I am going to be studying this more and perhaps incorporating some of these moves into my own routine. |
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M-Illusion Special user 549 Posts |
VERY NEAT! Like others have said, not necessarily a magic "trick" in the traditional sense, but very MAGICAL! Thanks for putting up the link!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
I hate to say that though I see the point, if a style like this was taken and incorporated into a "magical" presentation of the dancing cane, I was bored.
He repeated moves over and over and over, well much like magic LOL. Tell you what though, incorporating actual dancing moves and then moving onto the dancing cane "magic trick" would actually be a wonderful build to a routine. I think this is what BDC is thinking right?
Danny Doyle
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
Nail on head.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
I agree...
A minute and a half dancing would be enough. Then to go into a "dancing cane" routine would've been the best segway into the routine I would have ever seen. |
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thehawk Inner circle 2275 Posts |
Far from the best dancing cane I have seen.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
Quote:
On 2009-03-02 19:50, thehawk wrote: Yeah, well then, what was the best you've seen? |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
My post here is not intended to take anything away from the guy in the video, he is very talented and did a great job - I just wish it was a live performance and not a collection of studio clips.
With that said ... you do not want to do these moves in a "magic" dancing cane routine! You might be able to get away with a few of them, but if you were to incorporate these types moves, your routine would suffer for it. A lot of magicians think that the dancing cane is a feat of skill where you must impress your audience with your skills. NO! I cringe every time I see a magician do a fancy dancing cane like this, they don't understand the heart and soul of the trick. The dancing cane should be done effortlessly! You don't need or want a lot of fancy dance moves! The cane is not a prop - it is your "partner" - you do not manipulate it into dancing, it dances on it's own! Look at this guys video again and ask yourself "how does he do that?". He practiced ... he does this with his hand, he flips the cane here or there ... there is no mystery watching this, you can see exactly how he is doing it. You may not be able to do it yourself, but you know how it is done. The dancing cane should be an act of mystery ... not skill! The cane is supposed to be the focus, not the performer! Watch David Copperfield's Dancing Cane again ... there is a certain 'economy of motion', he is barely moving - the cane is dancing - not him! When you lead as a dancer, you are the frame for your partner (the picture), and that is how the dancing cane should be performed ... the cane is the picture, you are just the frame around it. Don't try to upstage your partner with fancy moves, let your partner shine. Feel free to disagree, but I'm still right. You could put a few of these types of moves into your routine, but don't overdo it - remember that the dancing cane is magical, it is not a hip-hop dance prop. What this guy does it kewl, but he is trying to achieve something different than what a magician is aiming for. You want people walking away wondering how that cane danced, not how great of a dancer you are. -JoeJoe
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
JoeJoe, with all due respect (and I mean all due respect), please...
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Very very Nice! It is great that one can learn to start to look OUTSIDE of magic to be inspired. Just watching this guy totally opens the mind to creative ways in which dance can accompany the dancing cane routine. How you could add in dance and combinations of moves with the dancing cane to change it around completely into something fresh, creative and unique.
Kyle
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Vick Inner circle It's taken me 10+ years to make 1120 Posts |
Kyle hit it on the head
We must look outside magic to become the best we can, if we limit ourselves to learning from magic we will rehash the same old things. Nice piece, some of the things he does are incredible. Was waiting to see if he did a slide from shoulder down to hand and caught the cane in hand and did some type of twirl from there Of course with many of you I'm stating an already known fact ;-)
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Well we can keep magic stagnant, and just do "magic routines" or we can try to expand. Each is a choice I guess.
Danny Doyle
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Oh please danny - to even suggest I am keeping magic stagnant is ridiculous, I've expanded nearly everything I touch and have lost count of how many new, unique, and original pieces of magic I have created. You on the other hand ... nothing.
I expect magicians to disagree with me, because so few magicians ever grasp the simplicity of the dancing cane. Simplicity is always the correct answer. I've done the cane thousands of times for many many years now. My cane floats for a grand total of about 15 seconds. I do one flourish and that is AFTER the floating/dancing. See for yourself ... devise a fancy routine with lots of flashy moves ... every magician will swear it is awesome. But if you honestly evaluate what a LAYMAN will think, you can expect another answer. Too many magicians try to hard with the cane, you know the secret so you look for moves to disprove that is how it works ... laymen don't know how it works, there is no need to disprove anything to them. Laymen will take your entire routine and sum it up into a single sentence to tell their friends: (1) he did a really neat dance with a cane, or (2) he made his cane dance and float My formula for magic is always the same - figure out the heart and soul of the trick, highlight everything that makes it magic and downplay everything else. The closer you get to impression #1, the further you go from impression #2. And if you want people to leave with the impression you are a magician, you want to be as close to impression #2 as you can possibly get. Anything that moves you towards #1 should be avoided like the plague. You don't have to agree. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone by saying these things, I'm just trying to be helpful by shedding light into how my mind thinks of the dancing cane. -JoeJoe
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Vick Inner circle It's taken me 10+ years to make 1120 Posts |
Proof is in the pudding
http://joejoeonline.com/videos.htm JoeJoe does some quick dancing cane work at the beginning of the top video. Looks likes JoeJoe is just riffing having some fun to start drawing a edge. People start coming up, mission accomplished That being said in most instances I'm not a fan of the dancing cane, the method is too obvious unless you use both hands. Always the same circle around the wrist move. Doesn't matter where, in front, over the head, around the body. Same limited circle movement Enjoyed BDC's dancing cane routine I saw on video as he's got a lot going on, dancing, singing, lot of other than the same circle movement and he's singing "It don't mean a thing". Total entertainment, giving the audience something to remember and stimulation to think and feel. JoeJoe what you left out in your explanation is entertainment value and presentation, that's what gets us to #2. I agree moves aren't the most important but what the crowd gets and takes away is. Magic is not a transient thing that only happens when the performing is working.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Wow JoeJoe that was personal enough. Did I mention you? Guilty conscious huh?
All I was saying, before you blew this into a personal flame war for absolutly no reason other than being an angry person, was that for magic to grow, it needs to look beyond "traditional means". You claim to do this. Fine. Then it is shocking you don't seem to fully comprehend the process. Well not as shocking as one may think. JoeJoe, your ideas of what an audience will think is very short sighted. Go see Cirque' sometime JoeJoe. Does the guy just walk out and juggle? Does the acrobat jump to the end and the finale? Why not? I would rather not just do TRICKS, which seems to be what you advocate. Oh and don't start your posts with a personal attack, and then claim you mean no disrespect. I never said YOU keep magic stagnant. I mean after all you made a floating lamp post, and made several inches of REAL SNOW. How could I ever say you make things stagnant?
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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
I thought the clip demonstrated some extraordinary talent, and it might be noted that it was a compilation of several different performances edited together - so we have no idea how this guys gets into or out of his routine.
I, too, would have liked to see a transition into traditional dancing cane routine, but then we are all coming at this from a particular mindset. Kind of like if we were all die-hard oboe players - every piano solo we heard would seem incomplete without a big oboe-based finish... lol. TW
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Peter Pitchford Elite user Philly 423 Posts |
Actually, from my perspective and according to my definition of magic, that was very magical. I hated every dancing cane routine I've ever seen (including Copperfield's) until I saw Pika's. The cane follows the hand as if carried by inertia from the hand's movement (which it is). No strings can necessarily be seen, but the concept seems (to my eye) quite obvious. When I saw John's routine live, it was different. He was dancing with the cane. They were dance partners. Many that I have seen keep their eyes on the cane in a way that makes it seem like they are manipulating it. When the majority of the movement is being done with the hands (and the cane is following the hands that looks like inertia), the method can be detected.
John choreographs his movements so that his hands aren't moving to move the cane; his hands are moving because that is simply a part of his dance routine. Even if there was no cane his hands would still move in that manner. John, I think it would be great to integrate some eccentric dance moves (hat & cane especially) with your act. I think it fits and it would be organic. Just my two cents. |
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