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InvisibleMonkey Regular user 136 Posts |
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On 2009-03-06 10:07, Davit Sicseek wrote: Grow up. |
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts |
Learn how to take a joke.
AND Get some better PR. -OR- Learn to write a decent review.
Send me the truth: davitsicseek@gmail.com
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InvisibleMonkey Regular user 136 Posts |
Just because you think it's a joke, dosn't mean that you're funny.
Don't give up your day job. Just accept that people have different opinions. I liked it you didn't. End of story. The Cafés motto is "Magicians helping Magicians" not "Magicians being petty, and b1tchy" |
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts |
Daniel , I accept you are entitled to your opinion... that was never in question. The validity of your opinion is what is being questioned here.
My posts are entirely in the spirit of 'magicians helping magicians'. Believe it or not, what I'm tying to do here is help you. I'm just not sure whether the person I'm helping is the author or simply a misguided reviewer. Maybe one day you'll realise that. In my opinion, and one shared by the majority of posters on this thread is that Dream Signs has fundamental problems. I also find it's advert horribly misleading and the embodiment of the suspicions I always feel when any advert presents a long list of 'what it isn't'. Here we have an effect claiming not to be a PA, yet having the same mechanics and retaining many of the disadvantages of a PA and losing some of the advantages. You have to understand that when there are such obvious, widely recognized problems with the effect both in terms of the effect itself and the way that it is marketed, seeing such an unbalanced, unsolicited review, which is then defended in such a personal manner raises two suspicions. - The reviewer is the author, or doing a favor for the author. - The reviewer is incompetent. Whatever the case, you either need to make your PR attempts a little more effective, or learn to write more balanced reviews if you wish your reviews to retain credibility.
Send me the truth: davitsicseek@gmail.com
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InvisibleMonkey Regular user 136 Posts |
Can you stop calling me Daniel, it's really rather pathetic.
My names Adam Jefford, I live in Brighton UK, I have no connection to the author whatsoever. The review I wrote was a response to a question on another forum and as I had an account here too I thought I'd just copy and paste it. Okay? I'm sick of defending my opinion. Jesus. I like it, so what? I also think my wife is the most beautiful woman on earth, does that mean everyone does? I have no idea what this long list of "what it isn't" you're refering to? The only information about the effect on the website is what I've already posted and it's this: ""Dream Signs is an effect where you ask the participant to think of his or her star sign. You then proceed to name it. Quick, Simple and impromptu. This routine does not use progressive anagrams. You never ask him any questions. You do ask him to think of his or her sign and how it relates to other circumstances, but the spectator never utters a single word. Everything is based on a clever psychological subtlety. " I see non of the issues you mention in this. Maybe you've seen it advertised differently elsewhere, but I've searched and found nothing. But you know what, scr3w it. I have better things to be doing that getting in a meaningless online argument, just because I posted a favourable review. The sad thing is, the other forums I belong to have none of this paranoid suspicious nonsense going on. So I'll be returning to those, which incidentaly also seem to have genuine, interesting debate form various viewpoints on different effects, people can agree to disagree. The worlds a big place, people have a vast array of opinions and tastes. Ok you don't like Dream Signs. I GET IT. It's not my problem. I bought it, I like it, I use it. I also know I'm far from alone in this opinion. Your opinions and paranoia are not going to change my mind. And I really have no interest in changing yours. You don't like it, I get it. Now can you drop the name calling and the attempts at undermining my character and just accept that we are different people, with different opinions. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Nobody is is picking on you InvisbleMonkey. They have just stated why they don't like it. You are the one who has come on defensively. Relax, no need to take it personel
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I'm a newbie on this thread but I've read it all.
What is the percentage of success with this system?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Paul Spaniels Loyal user Hull, UK 249 Posts |
I've owned this effect for a long while now, and although I quite like the original presentation, it's the principle that interests me most.
I think this could be used to come up with some stunning effects - provided you can actually think of a way to use it! In all the time I've had it I've been giving this some thought but still haven't come up with anything Has anybody else managed to use the principle in this effect to invent one of their own? Maybe it's just my lack of creativity/imagination? It's such a shame though, because I do feel it has enormous potential. |
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Paul Spaniels Loyal user Hull, UK 249 Posts |
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On 2009-03-07 00:12, Psychic Samurai wrote: Hi Prof. I don't think it's the system as such that causes the effect to fail, I think it's the presentation that does it. The zodiac is a perfect subject for this principle, but the problem lies in how much knowledge the spec really has about the symbol for his/her start sign. Of course, you can try to make sure of this before performing the effect but even then it has the potential to lead you down the wrong path. As for percentages, well in my experience there are more hits than misses, but still an uncomfortable number of misses, if that helps any. |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Dave:
Check your email. I sent you my work on the Zodiac. Tony |
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Chester Sass Loyal user Check out my book 120% CHESTOSTERONE 246 Posts |
I'm from Germany and will soon release my own version of a zodiac routine.
Daniel Love's routine is really a wonderful tool if you know how to use it. For my routine I took one or two ideas from his thinking and created a routine that works like a charm. In my opinion the best routine that has ever been published in German language. I'm thinking about doing an English version, too! As soon as my book has been released I will try to translate the routines in English. Daniel's routine is an example for a very good thinking, and offers you to take it even further. Make it your own or try to develop something new from it. I love the whole concept and thinking behind it. As a matter of fact you can't do his routine in German, but nonetheless I really love it.
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Chester Sass Loyal user Check out my book 120% CHESTOSTERONE 246 Posts |
I think this routine is the perfect example for the old problem:
What's the difference between a mentalist and a mental magician. In my opinion only a real mentalist can appreciate the thinking behind Loves routine. You have to work with a real good portion of spectator management to get such things to work. If you have never learned to direct the minds of the spectators to work in specific directions than this kind of effect won't work. And I'm sure that mental magicians aren't interested in spending YEARS in learning how you can direct people just with words and body language. They like to learn effects and they HAVE TO work 100%. But a mentalist take chances in his work like using psychological forces......of course it is always better to have a clean ending, but why trying to always be right? It's human to make mistakes and if you were working WITHOUT any trickery, there would be mistakes. So the essence is that there are effects that should only be presented by mentalists and others by mental magicians. Dream Sign is one of those which should only be presented by a real experienced mentalist to have it really work.
Author of "120% Chestosterone"
NOW AVAILABLE FROM YOUR DEALER OF TRUST! Chester |
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james1a Loyal user 209 Posts |
I did not find this useful. Many people do not know the symbols associated with their signs, as to why? I would suggest because that is not what interests them about their signs. Most of the people who read the astrological columns in newspapers, I would suggest do not know the symbols associated with their signs. IMO the ad was misleading. Other people have worked with this idea, Alain Nu for example.
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